|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 8:23am
Post #1 of 23
(2377 views)
Shortcut
|
A STUNNING scene we haven't talked about?
|
Can't Post
|
|
When you pop in Disc two of AUJ..
There is quiet montage of Bilbo falling in Love
with Rivendell...
Bilbo alone exploring "The Valley of Imladris"...
Well? he comes across the Broken Narsil & the
Wonderful Alan Lee Mural...A FROZEN moment in Time
just before Isildur CUTS the ONE from Sauron hand!
WOW! Bilbo hears in HIS head the Sounds of Blades Clashing
& Screams of Terror...during the Battle of the Last Alliance
etc..Ina MOST perfect way.
What does this scene represent?..to you..
Litl'OLDbom... thinks its a way to describe
WHAT all of us, as readers, experience while reading Tolkien...
in a Most incredible way.
People often focus on PJ's EPIC Battles BUT?
The mark of a Great film-maker is to show
us the quiet moments too.
ALSO.. this Shows the Tremendous RESPECT that all of
PJ's production crew feels, for our Favorite author.
That little scene will stick out for years! as an example of
the PURE Genius from the Whole crew
that we have been privileged to know
in our time.
bom
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
Dame Ioreth
Tol Eressea
Apr 14 2015, 12:40pm
Post #2 of 23
(2181 views)
Shortcut
|
You are absolutely right, Bomby!
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
This scene, acted so beautifully by Martin, made me feel like I think I would feel if I were standing there myself. Rivendell is the place I would like to live in Middle Earth. SPJ made it come alive for me in ways even my imagination while reading the books never did. I felt the coolness of the water fall mist in the air. I felt the sun on my cheek. There was a warmth to the place that I didn't feel in Lorien (while reading the book and watching the film). Like Bilbo going back to Rivendell in LOTR, I felt like I was coming home even though I had never been there before.
I loved the look of Rivendell in The Hobbit. It was not the sad, faded but still majestic home of the elves. It still had a vibrancy, an inner life, a ... something... that set elves apart from other races in Middle Earth. It came from the earth itself and was integral to the life they led. There was still strife and shadow, but the colors were of high summer, not fading fall. I love that SPJ and his designers and especially Alan Lee and John Howe thought about that waaaaay back when so that we could see the effect the wars with Sauron had on the life forces of Middle Earth. It diminished them and they had the forethought to show that change back when they made LOTR so that when we see it in The Hobbit, we can see the more vibrant version.
Yup. I feel in love all over again with Rivendell walking beside Bilbo. There really is no other place in Middle Earth for me.
.
Heed WBA when building blanket forts.
ITLs don't get enough FAS. :)
Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles.
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
|
|
|
Greenwood Hobbit
Valinor
Apr 14 2015, 1:18pm
Post #3 of 23
(2156 views)
Shortcut
|
around Rivendell - I'm also thinking of Bilbo's last wistful look as the company leaves - lay the foundations for the strong love Bilbo has for the place, that draws him back eventually - to see mountains, and finish his book - to take his rest there, before sailing West.
|
|
|
Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
Apr 14 2015, 1:31pm
Post #4 of 23
(2151 views)
Shortcut
|
Yes, I recall that scene quite well - and the look on Bilbo's face when he looked at the mural and saw the Ring. It kind of foreshadowed what was to happen, the importance of it all. I know that alot of people complain about Jackson's OTT action scenes and overabundant CGI, but I think Martin Freeman said it best in an interview: that Peter Jackson doesn't sacrifice the human element for action scenes. So many times you have a scene with just two actors talking to each other, from Thorin & Balin's conversation in Bag End to Thorin and Bilbo in Erebor (the acorn scene), and those moments define the movie better than all that action, and IMO sets Peter's movies apart from other action movies like "The Avengers." Don't get me wrong, I love the Avengers movies, BUT they are not the same kind of movies as the Hobbit/LoTR movies. Do you remember the scene in "The Two Towers" at Helm's Deep, when Aragorn was sitting on the steps just thinking about this impossible battle, and he sees a young boy with a sword, looking terrified, and he asks to see the boy's sword? I think the fight scenes at Helm's Deep were amazing, BUT it's that scene, that quiet before the storm that really sticks with me.
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
|
|
|
dormouse
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 1:41pm
Post #5 of 23
(2136 views)
Shortcut
|
Bilbo in Rivendell, as Bomby pointed out - and I love Rivendell, books and films - and Aragorn and Haleth. Peter Jackson has a real genius, I think, for finding those little, subtle moments that say so much. The BotFA scene with Gandalf and his pipe is another. another one I'd pick out is Merry's conversation with Eowyn on the way to the Battle of Pelennor Fields
|
|
|
Eruonen
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 3:59pm
Post #6 of 23
(2052 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Those little scenes keep us in the ME groove as we have come to know it
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
from reading the books (if you have not read the books than they hint at the magic to be found). I would have loved more of them at the expense of over the top scenes that take me completely out of the ME experience.
|
|
|
QuackingTroll
Valinor
Apr 14 2015, 4:44pm
Post #7 of 23
(2031 views)
Shortcut
|
|
I don't like Bilbo looking at the painting...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
When Bilbo looks at the painting and we hear some clanging, l think it's some clever foreshadowing and a thought provoking observation.
But Jackson, as always, takes it too far and has the camera slowly zoom in on the ring and hold on it for way too long, turning an observation into another forced reference. It's as if showing the picture isn't enough for our stupid audience we need to paint the ring on his finger (which isn't there in LotR) and zoom in on it, play the music, play the sounds. Otherwise the audience might not notice that this is the same ring that Bilbo picks up later in the story.
It's like Bilbo knows he's going to find the ring and it also contributes to making everyone look stupid for not realising Bilbo's ring is the One Ring. Little references like this should be done as easter eggs for fans who know what's coming and know the world. Spelling them out in such an obvious way just makes them feel cheap.
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 4:47pm
Post #8 of 23
(2031 views)
Shortcut
|
|
The Idea of having the Company
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
of Dwarves DIS-respecting the place was Genius...
since we want to protect it & Elrond even more.
Bilbo said they have "the Worst manners possible",
which is a complete TURN-About of the "Stuffiness" of the elves.
If you were to compare that with the "British STIFF upper-Lip"?
to the crass, crude American Armies, who are always @ WAR
...it gets even BETTER!
Bom knows this is not an allegory, but the levels of meaning
can't help but be compared.
Bilbo is put into a Culture gap...Hobbiton is "Real Home"
Rivendell is a Hidden Haven for those that are wise enough
to know that they? are weary of the ways of the World.
{Boy, bomby thatzz a lot of "W"zz in one sentence,
A New wordsmithing ..RECORD..?}
IT hints @ what one would find
if you finally find yourself in Valinor.
Its a place you are rewarded with?
if you did GOOD by the World.
AND we all know the great good that Bilbo created for
ALL the rest of us.
Someday we get to
our own personal Rivendell
bom
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 4:56pm
Post #9 of 23
(2023 views)
Shortcut
|
|
OKAY?...Point taken, filed under ..ranting @ ignored..
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
"meanwhile back at the Ranch"
bilbo & bomby are jus' Happy little Campers....
Occasionally dancing with Arwen under a Waterfall...
ENJOYING another Misty Mountain
Sunset, singing songs &
reading poems of love to each other...
While ORCS are patrolling our borders...
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
QuackingTroll
Valinor
Apr 14 2015, 5:11pm
Post #10 of 23
(2009 views)
Shortcut
|
|
OKAY? Ask people's opinions and ignore the negative ones...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
I like the scene. I just think this one shot doesn't work and I was giving explanations why. I don't consider that a rant.
(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Apr 14 2015, 5:12pm)
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 5:14pm
Post #11 of 23
(2005 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Before bom read any Tolkien there was a Book/Movie
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
named "Lost Horizon" that was produced by Frank Capra
the same year
as "The Hobbit" in 1937
The High Lama in that production
...just like Elrond
said
something
similar
to what Tolkien wrote
"There are moments in every mans life, when he glimpses the eternal"
..
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
Eruonen
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 6:02pm
Post #12 of 23
(1973 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Bomby, why include this offensive comment?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
"If you were to compare that with the "British STIFF upper-Lip"?
to the crass, crude American Armies, who are always @ WAR
...it gets even BETTER! "
Sorry, that is not cool.
|
|
|
Fimbulfambi
The Shire
Apr 14 2015, 8:33pm
Post #13 of 23
(1865 views)
Shortcut
|
People often focus on PJ's EPIC Battles BUT?
The mark of a Great film-maker is to show
us the quiet moments too.
I agree with this. It is exactly why I like Peter Jackson's films. There are so many precious moments throughout both the LOTR films and the Hobbit films and for me the quiet and slow moments are what make the films extraordinary in balance with everything else that is going on.
To quote a previous reply "Peter Jackson doesn't sacrifice the human element for action scenes".
This is the ability he has that keep me interested throughout a battle (I am usually very bored by prolonged action sequences, not matter how "cool" it looks like). This was much more clear in RotK with the Battle of Pelennor though than the Battke in Hobbit3.
However, I often need to point out that films are group efforts, and I think it is in place to credit Fran that has worked so much on a lot of Peter Jackson films, with scripts and such. The Middle-Earth films would not be the same if it were not for her or Philippa.
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 14 2015, 9:19pm
Post #14 of 23
(1826 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Definately...it's an interesting TRIANGLE
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
"PJ,FW&PB" are great personality
Not sure how to describe it
One who is Frisky & wants to play with Toy Soldiers
under his house
One who wants to allow him to.
One who wants to keep it under control.
BUT they work in tandum, & their roles are
interchangeable @ times.
Wouldn't it have been Great to be sitting in a HotTUB in
Seatoun, in the Late 1990's watching them COOK UP
the screenPlay of LOTR ..?
Even Now, Backyard "Barbies" on the street where they live
are a Golden Ticket to their personalities.
SSOoo much gold has been Lavished upon us from their
Beautiful Minds.
The result? that is totally up to you.
THEY hugged you, INCLUDED You...did you hug back?
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor
Apr 15 2015, 1:21am
Post #15 of 23
(1723 views)
Shortcut
|
It was a crass, crude American army that sent those British stiff upper lips pouting all the way home. ;)
I'm pretty sure my Scottish-American Revolutionary War veteran ancestors had many crass and crude things to say to the redcoats, but I can't speak for the German/Swiss-American ones. =)
**********************************
NABOUF
Not a TORns*b!
Certified Curmudgeon
Knitting Knerd
NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011
|
|
|
Eruonen
Half-elven
Apr 15 2015, 1:36am
Post #16 of 23
(1717 views)
Shortcut
|
|
I just don't follow Bomby at times.......when you sing song your comments
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
it loses a bit of comprehension. I took his comment as a slam against our military but maybe Bomby means something else.
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 15 2015, 3:05am
Post #17 of 23
(1689 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Apologizes for a crude...Bad metaphor...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
But back to Bilbo.
In Rivendell,
he has his first real experience
with a Larger World, much more Ancient
outside the borders of the Shire.
Next he is thrust right into the Middle of Goblin
culture...{AND Gollum}
Next is the Strange world of the Beornings
...Then Elves &
Finally!... the World of Men.
This REALLY forces him to Grow up..FAST
In Burnt-out Dale..
The Remark "I'm not asking to you approve, Gandalf."
when he decides to go... Warn Thorin up on Ravenhill..
WAS Astonishing...& SHOCKING
in one simple sentence says it all.
He has grown to the point of NOT needing the Wizard
to make any decisions for him, any more.
This theme is carried out, Most beautifully though out the 3 Films.
Sorta like us, learning the lessons of Tolkien's writings, for
The First Time..?
When reading it @ 16 years old, 49 years ago.
Little bomby felt like I was Bilbo, exposed to creations
I had no knowledge of...& interesting enough to read the Larger Volume,
The Lord of the Rings.
By the End of about 6 months, I felt more mature?
Maybe you did too?
{edited for Mature audiences? only}
             
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 15 2015, 4:20am
Post #18 of 23
(1662 views)
Shortcut
|
PJ is kinda "Tookish"
Fran is kinda "Baggins-ish"
Phillipa is kinda "Tolkien-ish"?
Who really knows, its a day-to-Day... kinda thingie?
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
dormouse
Half-elven
Apr 15 2015, 10:00am
Post #19 of 23
(1621 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Maybe returning insult for insult isn't the best idea?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
I daresay crass and crude things were said on both sides!
|
|
|
Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor
Apr 15 2015, 12:35pm
Post #20 of 23
(1578 views)
Shortcut
|
If I post my Dad's DNA test ethnicity results and pedigree, do I still get to keep joking about both his northern and southern UK heritage here? Because that's what's made us who we are today, and I'm nothing if not equal opportunity! ;)
Or maybe I should just stop trying to lighten things up here, and go back to hanging out with my snarky mostly UK and former British colonies knitting pals instead... Since no *actual knitting* is going to get done...
**********************************
NABOUF
Not a TORns*b!
Certified Curmudgeon
Knitting Knerd
NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011
|
|
|
dormouse
Half-elven
Apr 15 2015, 1:12pm
Post #21 of 23
(1563 views)
Shortcut
|
The 'lightening up' part of your post didn't come across - honest.... I saw it and thought - hang on, it wasn't even a Brit that started this!
*Offers olive branch, knitting wool and a cup of tea and curls back into teapot*
|
|
|
Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 16 2015, 2:49am
Post #22 of 23
(1407 views)
Shortcut
|
dmouse, My dad was in the Battle of Britian...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
in WW2, @ an Air Field known as Botney,
Flying Wing Escorts for the Bombers into
Belguim, France & Germany...
there, he mingled with the British troops...
Yes? our boys were Looked down upon, as Crass
but this of course, was the way it was in 1944 ~ 45
WHY? Bomby brought that up in first place,
don't know...it Slipped out...this Ancient bias?
Yes, he was an "Okie & a Texan, TOO?
...SSoo it seems this
American STRANGE Accent was
REALLY new to the Royal Air Force...
then.
But Bomby's DAD helped to Win the WAR!
In a MAJOR way...
there is EVEN a Movie Script in
Circulation with him as a major character..
SSOoo..Sorry to get sooo Personal.
bom
www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
|
|
|
dormouse
Half-elven
Apr 16 2015, 8:09am
Post #23 of 23
(1360 views)
Shortcut
|
I know you didn't mean any harm by what you posted.
But let me tell you something, just because..... My mum was in the army in the Second World War, in a special unit of art students who drew maps for D Day (my dad, being Dutch, wasn't). And if the perception you've grown up with is that the American troops were looked down on here, that certainly isn't the way I've been told about it from this side of the pond. Honestly. The G.I.s were different and had different ways. But rather than looking down on them, people seem to have envied them. They were better paid than British soldiers, had access to all sorts of goodies that Britain, where everything was rationed, didn't - and all the girls wanted to go out with them. So the British soldiers your Dad mixed with were probably jealous of the money and the girls - there was a lot of that. But I've truly never heard anyone say the Americans were looked down on. The saying was 'They're overpaid, they're overs*x*d and they're over here."
|
|
|
|
|
