Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
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Apr 6 2015, 1:50pm
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The Arda 300: #'s 180-161
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#180 Nimloth the Fair, White Tree of Númenor – tree
[TG:14,EoA:15,Wik:5,RF:11,JT:7,DD:1,MD:1,DK:1,LR:3,Sil:5,UT:6,H5:4,H9:10,H10:4,H11:2,H12:4=93pts,23indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...loth_of_N%C3%BAmenor
Nimloth is the highest ranking tree of the lineage of the White Trees, beyond Telperion: Galathilion, Celeborn, & the White Trees of Gondor have all already appeared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PZ7-AhBuXE
#179 Arathorn II, 15th Chieftain of the Dúnedain – arnorian dúnadan chieftain
[TG:29,EoA:12,Wik:5,RF:5,JT:8,LR:2,Sil:1,Let:1,H6:2,H7:20,H8:2,H9:2,H12:4=93pts,49indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Arathorn_II
His wife Gilraen wore a ceremonial bejewelled headgarb. As Arathorn’s widow, this may have been altered into a long black veil…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-4rY4g4Do
#178 Haleth the Hunter, 1st Chieftain of the Haladin (f) – 3rd house adan chieftain/ruling-lady
[TG:24,EoA:3,Wik:10,RF:5,JT:11,MD:2,DK:2,Sil:4,CoH:4,UT:10,H4:4,H11:8,H12:6=93pts,72indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Haleth
Kane & Drout give requisite attention to Haleth, along with the 3 internet sources that account for a third of her points. An interesting mention is within Anna Smol’s ‘Gender in Tolkien’s Works’ entry in Drout’s Encyclopedia, in which Haleth is listed amongst those “strong female characters [who] challenge stereotypical gender roles”, but she adds the belief of some that “even exceptional women [in Tolkien] do not escape their engendered roles: Eowyn, for example, after fighting heroically on the battlefield, opts for a traditional feminine life of healing and marriage”. To which Smol challenges this assumption with the character of Shelob. As neither wife, nor mother, and being a founding Chieftain, Haleth definitely lands on the other side of that argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PVjcIO4MT4
#177 Mardil Voronwë, 1st Ruling Steward of Gondor – gondorian dúnadan ruling-steward
[TG:28,EoA:2,Wik:7,RF:12,JT:24,LR:2,Sil:2,UT:6,H8:6,H12:6=95pts,25indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/.../Mardil_Voronw%C3%AB
J.E.A. Tyler’s entry is responsible for most of his points, outside of Tolkien Gateway. In it, Tyler gives a thorough biography of just how important this son of Vorondil the Hunter was for transitioning the governing of Gondor from Kingship to Stewardship, and also instituting the ‘Steward’s Reckoning’ calendar innovations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD_6KqP7K0g
#176 Vána the Ever-young (f) – vala queen/gardener
[TG:18,EoA:3,Wik:5,RF:5,JT:4,DD:10,MD:2,JG:1,Sil:2,H1:22,B1:11,H2:2,H4:4,H5:2,H10:2,H11:2=95pts,73indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vana
She’s the last of the non-Aratar Valier to appear. From the houses of the Valar in Aman, she asks the question, “can I make your garden grow?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_neqpz0nbF0
#175 Bifur, companion of Thorin Oakenshield – dwarf adventurer
[TG:66,EoA:1,Wik:3,RF:3,JT:2,DD:6,JR:10,LR:1,H6:2,H12:2=96pts,25indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Bifur
Rateliff notes that as the drafts developed for The Hobbit, “Tolkien’s decision to focus the active roles on only a few of the dwarves [meant] that some of the dwarves are relegated to such obscurity that they have virtually no speaking parts at all”. With respect to Bifur, Jackson took this another step completely…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCNwgzM2rQ
#174 Dori, companion of Thorin Oakenshield – dwarf adventurer
[TG:54,EoA:4,Wik:2,RF:4,JT:5,DD:10,JR:14,LR:1,H12:2=pts,96pts,33indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dori
He was the strongest dwarf of Thorin’s company, wore a purple hood, and when he was called upon to rescue Bilbo from the wolves climbing up the trees, he didn’t know if he was comin’ up or down…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C18B33QuEEQ
#173 Malbeth the Seer, counsellor of Arthedain – arnorian dúnadan counsellor
[TG:32,EoA:13,Wik:11,RF:7,JT:27,LR:1,H8:4,H12:2=97pts,9indx.pg]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Malbeth_the_Seer
Once again J.E.A. Tyler gives the most thorough biography for this royal counsellor noted for not one, but two, prophecies..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BBQMjbX3c
#172 Barliman Butterbur, keeper of the Prancing Pony – northman inn-keeper
[TG:38,EoA:8,Wik:8,RF:8,JT:4,MD:2,LR:3,H6:10,H7:4,H8:2,H9:2,H12:4,HoF+:4=97pts,121indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Barliman_Butterbur
Frodo’s journey to the Hotel Prancing Pony of course ended with an attempt to stab him with steely blades…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1i_yx5BV0
#171 Cirion, 12th Ruling Steward of Gondor – gondorian dúnadan ruling-steward
[TG:40,EoA:2,Wik:12,RF:11,JT:14,LR:1,UT:12,H12:6=98pts,36indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Cirion
He lived from 2449 to 2567, when the world of Man was under attack…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic
#170 Gothmog, Lieutenant of Morgul – orc lieutenant
[TG:35,EoA:17,Wik:28,RF:4,JT:6,LR:1,Sil:2,B1:1,H2:2,B2:1,H9:2=99pts,3indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...ieutenant_of_Morgul)
As far as what Gothmog was, I’ll let Jackson of all people be the adjudicator here, and classify him as an orc. Anything else, I deem, would be a step too far. An orc master, however, and second only to the highest ranking orc (3 below)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujwiWjJLwBg
#169 Castamir the Usurper, 22nd King of Gondor – gondorian dúnadan king
[TG:33,EoA:7,Wik:10,RF:14,JT:27,MD:2,LR:2,H12:4=99pts,11indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Castamir
I almost classified him as a southron usurper, rather than a gondorian dúnadan king, but then thought better of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEUAzK6pRFY
#168 Lotho ‘Pimple’ Sackville-Baggins @ – hobbit
[TG:22,EoA:13,Wik:2,RF:20,JT:19,LR:5,UT:2,H6:6,H9:10=99pts,62indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...ho_Sackville-Baggins
Maybe it’s the pimpled teen thing, but this song just seems to fit…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqL8dVIG2k
#167 Azog the Goblin – orc chieftain
[TG:34,EoA:17,Wik:3,RF:6,JT:13,DD:17,JR:1,LR:1,UT:4,H7:2,H12:2=100pts,20indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Azog
With Azog, we begin 100+ point characters. He’s the highest ranking orc, and I don’t think Jackson has a great deal to do with this, with only Tolkien Gateway giving him a few extra points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4prFmbjZ7M
#166 *Manthor, brother of Hunthor of the Haladin – 2nd house adan lawyer
[TG:69,Wik:25,DK:1,H11:6=101pts,37indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Manthor
Only 2 asterisked characters remain after him. Manthor’s claim to fame is of course being the saviour of Húrin in the ‘Wanderings of Húrin’. His profession could be that of master, captain, or even, briefly, chieftain, but I can’t resist adding another lawyer to this list, after Sir Gerard Manface of the Notion Club that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9qrJMTU1O8
#165 Denethor, Lord of the Laiquendi – nando lord
[TG:26,EoA:2,Wik:3,RF:6,JT:27,DK:1,Sil:4,UT:6,H4:6,H5:6,H7:2,H10:6,H11:6=101pts,50indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...enethor_son_of_Lenwe
The son of my namesake, and lord of the Green-elves of Ossiriand beyond the River Gelion, is not even the highest ranking Nando on this list (see 4 below)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkRZ-70SRs
#164 Farmer ‘Muddy-feet’ Maggot, of the Marish – hobbit farmer
[TG:60,EoA:1,Wik:9,RF:9,JT:6,MD:1,LR:2,UT:4,H6:4,H7:2,H9:2,H12:2=102pts,47indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Farmer_Maggot
This band needs to appear, and muddy water turns to wine…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN69GC2amTg
#163 Angrod, 2nd son of Finarfin – noldo prince
[TG:22,EoA:14,Wik:4,RF:13,JT:7,DK:1,Sil:3,CoH:2,UT:4,H3:4,H4:8,H5:4,H10:4,H11:4,H12:8=102pts,90indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Angrod
He’s the grandfather of Gil-galad, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. His name loosely translates to ‘Iron Man’…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUK3Fq1Dy6M
#162 Rose ‘Rosie’ Cotton>Gamgee – hobbit
[TG:71,EoA:1,Wik:4,RF:5,JT:6,MD:1,LR:5,H9:10=103pts,29indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rosie_Cotton
The majority of her points come from Tolkien Gateway, and she deserves no less of a place than #162.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qFdcHo7Z7w
#161 Saeros/Orgol, counsellor of Doriath – nando counsellor
[TG:32,EoA:3,Wik:10,RF:6,JT:13,DK:2,Sil:3,CoH:2,UT:6,H2:4,H3:4,H4:2,H5:6,H10:2,H11:8=103pts,48indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Saeros
Saeros, it seems, was an epithet loosely meaning ‘bitter rain’ in Sindarin. CT admits Tolkien intended his name to be Orgol (meaning pride), resembling his previous names, Orleg/Orgof from earlier versions. Yet another mistake that “it seems to me too late now to” fix, says CT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKgOe1Rl8YY
glossary:
*=as in CT's indexing in UT (ie. characters not appearing in Hobbit/LotR/AdvTB/Sil)
@=guest at Bilbo’s Farewell Party
(f)=female (n)=neutral
POINTS - for ENTRIES: TG=Tolkien Gateway,EoA=Encyclopedia of Arda,Wik=Wikipedia,RF=Robert Foster’s Complete Guide to Middle-earth,JT=J.E.A. Tyler’s Tolkien Companion,DD=David Day’s A-Z of Tolkien; for INDICES: LR=Lord of the Rings,Sil=Silmarillion,UT=Unfinished Tales,HX=History of Middle-earth Vol.X,Let=Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien,HC=Humphrey Carpenter’s Biography,JG=John Garth’s Tolkien and the Great War,JR=John Rateliff’s History of The Hobbit,DK=Douglas Kane’s Arda Reconstructed; for both ENTRIES & INDICES: MD=Michael Drout’s Tolkien Encyclopedia; for NAME-LISTS: CoH=Children of Húrin,B1 or B2=the ‘Qenya & Gnomish Lexicons’ from Book of Lost Tales Vols.1&2,FoG=the ‘Fall of Gondolin’ from BoLT Vol.2,LoE=the ‘Line of Elros’ tree & list from UT; MISC: HoF+=votes from the Hall of Fire thread that initiated this project + a composite of selected favourite character lists.
(This post was edited by dernwyn on Apr 6 2015, 3:43pm)
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Apr 6 2015, 2:32pm
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I've always thought Saeros was a better name for the character than Orgol
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So I don't mind the "mistake".
HoF is back up if you have been trying to post the latest update there.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
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Apr 6 2015, 2:58pm
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Yes I tried to edit my post unsuccessfully on your site, but gave up and bypassed to TORC & TORN. But now I'm having problems editing this post to show #'s 180-161 instead of my erring title. TORC seems the only site I never have problems with... :)
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Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
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Apr 6 2015, 3:14pm
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If I could have a mod edit the title of my post to "#'s 180-161" that would be greatly, greatly, appreciated. 
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Apr 6 2015, 3:22pm
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I posted a request in the feedback forum //
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'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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sador
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Apr 13 2015, 1:02pm
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Not wanting to change the world,
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and seeing that you didn't say if you mind my prattle, I'll follow the advice of Dicknes' moist prominent lawyer's "Bragg is a good dog, but Holdfast is better" (Great Expetations).
So I'll just mention that I've noticed just now the breakdown of sources, and how much the tolkiengateway website influences this part of the list. And while I really like Manthor, I hardly can see him as more important than Cirion, Azog or Butterbur.
I was also surprised to see Dori so low on the list. And did Tolkien specify the purple hood was his? I agree this seems reasonable (comparng the list of names to the different colours of the hoods), but I don't think it's conclusive.
And a last point - I was very surprised that Haleth has got such a low rating from TG, which accounts of her low position. And she is also one of the only characters who has changed gender while Tolkien was developing her character - did you also count the mention of the male 'Haleth' from the drafts?
Anyway, it is very interesting that 'Haleth' is a male character in the LotR appendices, and JRRT either didn't consider it a gender-specific name, or else he simply forgot about it. (interestingly enough, Jackson and co. did use it for a male character)
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Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
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Apr 13 2015, 4:22pm
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Yes, Tolkien Gateway accounts for 26.5% of this list. It is a lot, but not world-changing. (Is that a hint that you want a song from Ten Years After? One may be coming up). But TG is the most complete source IMO. That's why I started using their links at #300, instead of giving my own summaries as I had been. They include the entire legendarium, and also all media, for better or worse.
It is a very objective list. In the end points were awarded largely to see the best list take shape, while maintaining consistency. The last 2 sources I used were Tolkien Gateway, and in fact a thread on this site (Middle-earth Hall of Fame, or something like that) which I included in the column of my spreadsheet devoted to some subjective lists/votes (accounting for only 3% of the total). But more than 40 sources are used, and points are of equal value for all. So the chips fall how they fall. If you didn't have a squabble about this character being more important than that, then I would question you. But hopefully you'll generally agree with the top 100, 50, or 20. After including Tolkien Gateway, the top part of the list, including #1, changed for the better!
As for the hood colours, "Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, and Gloin were their names; and very soon two purple hoods, a grey hood, a brown hood, and a white hood were hanging on pegs" [The Hobbit]. I think its apparent, as all have concluded. (Or is it more Jimi Hendrix you don't like? )
(This post was edited by Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin on Apr 13 2015, 4:30pm)
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sador
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Apr 14 2015, 1:26pm
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I don't think that description is conclusive.
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I've agreed that it is probable. And no, I don't mind Jimi Hendrix from time to time, and can even live with two songs on one list...
I wasn;t hinting at Ten Years After, although I would definitely welcome them. I was thinking more of the Billy Bragg/KirstyMacColl A New England - that was the time when I was young...
I don't know Tolkien Gateway well; I know of it, but never systematically looked through it. So I'll take your word for it, and am not squabbling - I have no idea which character is the most important, and am perfectly willing to see whatever list you end up with.
And I'm still amazed by your twice (or thrice, if we count Azog) using Jackson's portrayal of characters as a lead for your choice of songs. No problem with that; it was just unexpected.
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