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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 1 2015, 5:34pm
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Alfrid Lickspittle & Grima Wormtongue
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There are quite a few Parallels between these two.
Both are Crooked Criminal Councilors
The Master is already crooked, &
Grima is doing what he can
to Corrupt Theodain.
Their performances are quite similar:
Both have this hunched-over Posture.
Both wear Black, more elaborate
than their real position in life.
Brad shaved his Eyebrows
Ryan has a "Uni-brow"?
Brad has a Huge Mole on his forehead
Ryan has Boils or "somethingie" around his Nose.
It seems they BOTH lack any sorta personal Hygiene?...
Eowyn called Grima a "Snake"
Hilda Blanca called Alfrid a "Weasel".
They both claim to have their Master's Goals @ heart
but we know that is NOT true.
It was quite likely Ryan Gage was asked to study Brad Doruff's
performance in preparation for his First Big Movie role.
There are more similarities to these personalities,
can you think of more?
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marary
Lorien
Apr 1 2015, 6:34pm
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New headcanon: Grima's eyebrows crawled off his face... and resettled on Alfrid's, filling out that magnificent unibrow.
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Milieuterrien
Rohan
Apr 1 2015, 8:00pm
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Grima seems uglier, but look again
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He obviously has been partly corrupted, as much as Theoden, who knew him better.
Grima surely isn't gentle, but his feeling for Eowyn could have been a weak spot for his nastiness. Eowyn might have some good influence on him, wasn't she disgusted by him.
And there are remnants of his former fairness : he can't help crying when he sees Saruman's army, and finally he stabs the Wizard when his return to Rohan after Theoden asking for him isn't accepted.
All about Alfrid is about egotism and selfishness. He believes in nothing else than riding the winning trend : he serves Bard where Grima spits on Aragorn's hand.
There isn't only one kind of evil and the Jacksonites excel to show nuances between them. There magnified pretty well the differences between Azog and Bolg, between the orcs and the uruk-hais, even between the goblins (pure nastyness) and the orcs (more brutish and servile type)
I hadn't noticed the eyebrows connexion for I didn't remember Grima hadn't any : seemingly, ugliness can come from both sides.
Grima had clear eyes, so the lack of eyebrows adds to the discomfort. Alfrid has brown eyes, so the excess of eyebrows adds to the discomfort
Interestingly enough, there has also been some talk about Thranduil's dark eyebrows : with him, the contrast between his blond hair and his dark eyebrows... also adds to the discomfort
Maybe Grima gave Alfrid his eyebrows, but only from a cinematic point of view, for In Middle-Earth, Alfrid came first.
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Eruonen
Half-elven
Apr 1 2015, 8:05pm
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Alfrid is a simple toady while Grima is a man with a plan
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Grima is a far more devious and smart opponent than Alfrid.
There are some similarities but their evil is of a different class.
Alfrid is desirous of material wealth while Grima seeks to rule.
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Apr 1 2015, 8:17pm
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I laughed inappropriately loud at this! //
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chauvelin2000
Bree
Apr 1 2015, 8:24pm
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Cronies with 'Forked Tongues' . . .
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Wormtongue, that 'witless worm' with 'forked tongue' with whom the wizard refuses to 'bandy words', must have, indeed, fouly reminded Gandalf of Alfrid (in Jackson's Middle-earth) when he despisingly confronts Gríma at Meduseld.
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Milieuterrien
Rohan
Apr 1 2015, 8:26pm
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There is more consistency in Grima's behaviour.
While Grima wants to stop and arrest Aragorn and Gandalf, Alfrid treats him like a simple vagabond.
And The Master of Laketown shows absolutely no respect for Alfrid (he threws him off-board), while Theoden still respects Grima, even after the crisis.
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Súleth
The Shire
Apr 1 2015, 9:56pm
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Alfrid doesn't remind me of Grima
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He obviously has been partly corrupted, as much as Theoden, who knew him better.
Grima surely isn't gentle, but his feeling for Eowyn could have been a weak spot for his nastiness. Eowyn might have some good influence on him, wasn't she disgusted by him.
And there are remnants of his former fairness : he can't help crying when he sees Saruman's army, and finally he stabs the Wizard when his return to Rohan after Theoden asking for him isn't accepted.
All about Alfrid is about egotism and selfishness. He believes in nothing else than riding the winning trend : he serves Bard where Grima spits on Aragorn's hand.
There isn't only one kind of evil and the Jacksonites excel to show nuances between them.
I agree with this. Despite their similarities, the characters have never really reminded me of each other. If you take a closer look, they differ pretty much.
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Greenwood Hobbit
Valinor
Apr 1 2015, 10:30pm
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I think Grima was more complex as a character
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and felt like he'd been around a lot longer, plotting and planning. He had an unhealthy obsession with Eowyn, too. Alfrid's role was a bit more simple - oily sidekick and comic relief, no particular depth. Grima was nastier, but more believable.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 2 2015, 1:22pm
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Bom has always held the opinion that a Sociopath
has no guilt about what they do...
..ANY other people's feelings, goals, aspirations,
DON't Count.?
Example: Alfrid is so Blinded by his ambition
he doesn't care for any people, by pushing
them out of his way.
...Piling on more Wood onto that poor old woman
on the Shore...Changes his Alliance, Immediately
to Bard, & putting himself in the Spotlight once again..
once the Master is dead.
Each time Bard gives him any duty, he Doesn't do it.?
BUT, Grima was under the Influence of the "Voice of Saruman"
therefore less of a jerk, since he couldn't help Following
The Wizard's cunning & commands even @ a distance.
There is No Cunning in Alfrid,
yet Grima learned to
Fool Theodan with his words through a "Channeling"
of Saruman..?
Sometimes....bom feels these two Characters are
in these Movies to Teach Children "Character".
There are many "LifeLessons" in Tolkien's books
& PJ's Movies.
It's what any parent would do.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 3 2015, 6:51pm
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Just finished the LOTR, One MORE time?
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In "The Scouring of the Shire"
"..Saruman laughed."You do what Sharkey says always, Don't you, Worm?
Well, now he says: follow!' He kicked Wormtongue in the face as he
grovelled, and turned and made off. But at that, something snapped:
suddenly Wormtongue rose up, drawing a knife, and then with a snarl
like a dog he sprang on Saruman's back,
jerked his head back, cut his Throat, and then with a yell ran
off down the lane. Before Frodo could recover or speak a word,
three hobbit-bows twanged and Wormtongue fell dead."
There is an amazing Mystical Passage
after that? about the Final Demise of Saruman
But bom would rather you read it again...BECAUSE
a couple of Horrible Secrets are revealed there.
ITZzz WAyCOOL?
...that the "Throat of Saruman" was his Un-Doing,
since his Voice was HIS Big Weapon.
Tolkien certainly knew what
he was doing...
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 4 2015, 10:47am
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Apparently Alfrid will Fry sometime soon.
IT has to be Ironic, Iconic,
Totally Satisfying for us.
Universally HATED by anyone near him
THERE Must be somethingie, Theatrical
that makes you WANT
To stand up & CHEER?
Any Ideas how you would like to see
Mr. Likspitttle flame out?
Ponder that..
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Bofur01
Lorien
Apr 4 2015, 11:26am
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Well, apparently he was supposed to..
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Hide in a catapult, be thrown across the battlefield and be eaten by a troll...
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Apr 4 2015, 11:27am
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Any Ideas how you would like to see Mr. Likspitttle flame out? Ponder that..
I'm not thrilled with the death that was planned for Alfrid; it is far too Monty Pythonish in my opinion. What I might do (if I had the power) would be to have Alfrid fleeing Dale with his ill-gotten loot and then encounter Gollum, who is attempting to track down Bilbo so that he can reclaim his Precious.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 5 2015, 12:11am
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Gollum Kills Alfrid !!! He eats him whole..?//
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Apr 5 2015, 5:15am
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Probably not whole.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Rivendell
Apr 5 2015, 5:42am
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I thought Alfrid was a worthwhile character in DOS, particularly ee
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to me, was well played & done, interesting character story (along with the Master of Laketown) & humorous.
The character story of Alfrid in BoTFA was alot more periphery in terms of a story for the theatrical, so have to wait and see i guess.
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