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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 22 2015, 6:17am
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"Lord of SILVER Fountains?"
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That mystery remains...
GOLD is the Main Topic of the Films.
SSOoo where is the Silver..?
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AshNazg
Gondor
Mar 22 2015, 9:34am
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What happens when you leave Durin's folk alone with a fountain. As Elrond found out.
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DanielLB
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Mar 22 2015, 9:45am
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Literal - it could refer to the metal. Mixed in that treasure hoard of Smaug's is an uncountable amount of treasure - gems, gold, silver and anything else you can imagine. "The Lord of Gold Fountains" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
Metaphorical - it could refer to fountains of water, which in some light (especially moon light) can have a silver-ish aspect to it.
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Mar 22 2015, 12:57pm
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Interesting! I always took this phrase literally
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on the theory that Erebor was so wealthy that silver could be used as a building material. However, after some Sunday morning Googling around the web, I came up with several references in English poetry that seem to use the phrase as a description of the water, a usage that probably would have been very familiar to Tolkien, and also one reference to an actual huge silver fountain called the Karakorum Fountain:
Shakespeare Sonnet 35:
No more be grieved at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud,
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
and Sting's version of the same verse, in "Consider Me Gone"
Roses have thorns, and shining waters mud
And cancer lurks deep in the sweetest bud
Clouds and eclipses stain the moon and the sun
And history reeks of the wrongs we have done
https://digitalcrowsnest.wordpress.com/...ng-with-shakespeare/
The Ocean Night at Sea, by Letitia Elizabeth Landon (1802-1838)
...Like some new island in the ocean springing,
Floats on the surface some gigantic whale,
From its vast head a silver fountain flinging,
Bright as the fountain in a fairy tale...
http://www.bartleby.com/270/15/90.html
Sonnet by Edward Lord Thurlow
...The nymphs within the silver fountains play
The angels on the golden banks recline...
https://books.google.com/...re%20history&f=false
The Karakorum Fountain
Boucher made a mechanical silver fountain for the Khan’s festive occasions while Rubruc was in Karakorum, probably in 1254.
http://www.academia.edu/...e_Karakorum_Fountain
What can I say? It's a slow Sunday.
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Gold is the strife of kinsmen,
and fire of the flood-tide,
and the path of the serpent.
(Old Icelandic Fe rune poem)
(This post was edited by Elarie on Mar 22 2015, 12:59pm)
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Bombadil
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Mar 22 2015, 1:01pm
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WOW thanks for all that work..///
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AshNazg
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Mar 22 2015, 1:15pm
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There's a firework, in real life, called the Silver Fountain. The book names the following fireworks: Squibs, crackers, dwarf-candles, elf-fountains, goblin barkers and thunder-claps.
Dwarves are known to have made toys and also had mining explosives, so it's likely they also created and sold fireworks, which in Middle-earth would probably be a very rare and very admirable trade - close to magic in the eyes of men.
It's also heavily noted in the books and repeatedly hinted at in the movies that Thror used his wealth to order in thousands of mithril fountain pens from Moria, because he was an avid collector (as was Smaug, obviously. But you already knew that).
Lastly, when writing the prophecy the author couldn't think of another word to rhyme with mountain.
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AshNazg
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Mar 22 2015, 1:25pm
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I think this is the definitive answer!
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The silver fountains of the Running River! Nice work
Erebor is like a big fountain itself, with the waterfalls flowing down by its entrance into the Running River. Makes perfect sense.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 22 2015, 2:16pm
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WayCool...Bom never made the connection Before..?
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"Balin can you Still make the FlashPOTs..?"
"It' only take a Jiffy.."
Duh?.. Dumb Bomby...
Gandalf's Fireworks were made by Dwarves...
Snap, Crackle & POP TOO!
{Maybe ..Bifur's Axe in the Head
was an Industrial Accident making FireworkS..?}
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Avandel
Half-elven
Mar 22 2015, 3:59pm
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Water in Erebor everywhere - mountain springs harnessed by the dwarves for mining and metalwork.
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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
Mar 22 2015, 9:23pm
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It is silver steel, and Thorin says something about it being forged by his forefathers. But I'm inclined to agree that it's probably the water, the river and falls nearby.
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
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ber20
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Mar 24 2015, 2:38am
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As you said. The "Lord of gold fountains" doesn't have a nice ring to it. But perhaps the "Lord of GOLDEN fountains would work instead? It is a two syllable word, like silver, so it fits in with the prophecy and the song! 
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Lord of GOLDEN Fountains?
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