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Nerven
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Mar 18 2015, 6:03pm
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Did Tolkien meant that literally?
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When he said that Galadriels hair was golden and shot with silver, was he referring to the metal? Or when Melian sang that everyone in Aman could hear it? Or that Manwe hears everything what happens in Arda and Varda sees everything (or was it the other way round?)
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geordie
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Mar 18 2015, 6:43pm
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Darkstone
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Mar 18 2015, 7:11pm
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No Orc, No Orc!!
It's a wonderful town!!!
Mount Doom blew up,
And the Black Tower's down!!
The orcs all fell in a hole in the ground!
No Orc, No Orc!!
It's a heckuva town!!!
-Lord of the Rings: The Musical, music by Leonard Bernstein, lyrics by Betty Comden and Adolph Green
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squire
Half-elven
Mar 18 2015, 11:25pm
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There's a scene in Unfinished Tales where Galadriel mentions in passing where she learned the formula for polishing and buffing her metallic hair. Turns out it was, yep, Feanor.
Melian had a primitive version of what we'd call a radio network. AM for what it's worth, with simple but effective crystal receivers used by the most of the Free Peoples based analogically on the Silmarils, but Tolkien plays all that down because he didn't like to emphasize the Elves' technological achievements.
Manwe and Varda could see and hear everything because, get this, it's hard to believe: they're like, well, gods.
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Elthir
Grey Havens
Mar 19 2015, 3:19am
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When he said that Galadriels hair was golden and shot with silver, was he referring to the metal?
In drafts Galadriel's hair was white (the word in white is "white"), then it became golden in The Lord of the Rings, then became, at least according to later description, golden shot with silver.
letter 349 1973: here Tolkien notes how Galadriel got her secondary name in her youth: '... she had long hair which glistened like gold but was also shot with silver. She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats.'
Which I would guess relates to the longer passage...
'... it was golden like the hair of her father and of her foremother Indis, but richer and more radiant, for its gold was touched by some memory of the starlike silver of her mother; and the Eldar said that the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion, had been snared in her tresses."
JRRT, The Shibboleth of Feanor
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 19 2015, 2:50pm
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If we can have metallic dragons
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Why not metallic hair?
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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dormouse
Half-elven
Mar 19 2015, 3:28pm
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... in thunderstorms! 
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 19 2015, 3:43pm
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Or both?
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Elthir
Grey Havens
Mar 19 2015, 3:53pm
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Maybe... but in any case: a question about Galadriel and hair colour in the same post?
Is it my birthday? 
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dormouse
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Mar 19 2015, 4:19pm
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.. on whether the metal dragons were on rubber tracks or tyres, or were wearing wellingtons. (Galadriel, as we know, being barefoot )
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 19 2015, 4:35pm
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... to change "color" to "colour"?
Happy birthday! (Or unbirthday, as it were.)
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Elthir
Grey Havens
Mar 19 2015, 11:41pm
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... -findel to -findil in the subject.
Ha, I like the word "unbirthday". Thank you! And I usually spell the colour "grey" rather than "gray"
I know that last line makes no sense... but it sorta does, maybe.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 20 2015, 3:46am
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is that the last line made perfect sense to me!
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Mar 20 2015, 4:45am
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Na 'Aear, na 'Aear! Mýl 'lain nallol, I sûl ribiel a i falf 'loss reviol...
To the sea, to the sea, the white gulls are crying, the wind is blowing and the white foam is flying...
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Beleg Strongbow Cuthalion
Bree
Apr 8 2015, 7:47pm
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Well, when Tolkien referred to Galadriel's hair as being "golden and shot with silver", my theory is that he meant (quite obviously) that Galadriel's hair was golden, but you gathered as much already, and...
Well, it was mentioned a few times throughout The Silmarillion etc. that "the light of the Two Trees, Telperion and Laurelin, were snared in her [Galadriel's] tresses". That may be what Tolkien was referring to. It's a reasonable enough guess, anyways!
As to Melian's singing...I don't really know. Tolkien can be really confusing sometimes. Maybe he meant some of his writings and ideas to be rather un-understandable (not a word, but whatever!). =)
No thoughts whatsoever on the last one(s)..........
~"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” ― Gandalf the Grey~
(This post was edited by Beleg Strongbow Cuthalion on Apr 8 2015, 7:50pm)
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*mods up* //
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