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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 16 2015, 12:18pm
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Anyone want to Speculate about long Expected Funeral Scene..?
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Could, Should be ONE of the Most Wondrous
Scenes..in all
SIX Films.
An Amazing Resolution to the World of Dwarves
as we Say "Namarie" to PJFWPB.zzz Version of
MiddleEARTH...
Bom would like to sit back &
watch you
Wonderful
Word-smiths craft some
Writing
Worth all the Gold in Erebor.
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Shagrat
Gondor
Mar 16 2015, 12:30pm
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I'm expecting something spectacular, driven by Thorin and/or the House of Durin theme, with strong yet sombre choral elements.
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Lorien
Mar 16 2015, 1:17pm
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I don't expect it to be a long scene, maybe only a minute with little to no dialogue. It would be really nice to hear a slow, sad version of the Misty Mountains theme as Thorin/Fili/Kili are laid to rest. I'm sure we will see Thorin placed in a tomb with the Arkenstone too. We'll likely see some nice, lingering closeups of Beorn, Bard, Bilbo, Gandalf, etc. Probably Tauriel bawling her eyes out because of Kili, of course.
I really can't believe they did not include this in the theatrical version. This was deliberate withholding on the part of the filmmakers.
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Arannir
Valinor
Mar 16 2015, 1:46pm
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I really can't believe they did not include this in the theatrical version. This was deliberate withholding on the part of the filmmakers.
One of the most mind-boggling decisions when it comes to BotFA imho.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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dormouse
Half-elven
Mar 16 2015, 2:36pm
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...might be part of the theme 'Ironfoot' which is one of the bonus tracks on the extended soundtrack. Given the title, the beginning of the track and the theme played on the pipes presumably relates to Dain. But towards the end of the track there's a version of the Laketown theme and then some singing that sounds distinctly elvish, all quite solemn. It seems to me that that might have been written for a scene which unites dwarves, elves and men - either the funeral or a coronation scene for Dain.
That said, I am woefully bad at identifying the music. But I'd be interested to know what someone more musical makes of this.
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Lorien
Mar 16 2015, 3:17pm
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It's a shame they didn't have enough time to expand Ironfoot's theme in the film, as I really liked it. It had a Braveheart-ish sound to it, but since it only shows up in one scene it feels out of place with the rest of the score.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 16 2015, 3:31pm
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The funeral definitely ought to be in the extended edition and should also include the burial of Fili and Kili. Dain's role should be to set the tone of his reign by entombing the Arkenstone with Thorin. Orcrist should be placed on top of the tomb, whether by Thranduil or Legolas.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
Rivendell
Mar 16 2015, 3:36pm
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It'll be ultimately disappointing. Probably short, because they need to fit in a scene with Alfrid sneaking into Erebor and shoving more gold in his dress.
Honestly, whatever they do, it's sure to make me cry.
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AshNazg
Gondor
Mar 16 2015, 3:38pm
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Unlikely, but wouldn't it be cool if they sang Misty Mountain reprise??
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The king is come unto his hall
Under the Mountain dark and tall.
The Worm of Dread is slain and dead,
And ever so our foes shall fall!
Now call we over mountains cold,
‘Come back unto the caverns old’!
Here at the Gates the king awaits,
His hands are rich with gems and gold.
I hope the EE contains at least one more song.
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AshNazg
Gondor
Mar 16 2015, 3:46pm
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I think it'll be short and involve a few silent shots...
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A wide shot of the caverns/tombs
Beorn placing Thorin on the tomb
Some close-ups of the bodies and everyone looking sad
A shot of Bilbo placing the Arkenstone on his chest
Gandalf placing Orcrist by his side
[maybe Dain shouts something here like "hail king under the mountain"]
Everyone looks sad again
And then the zoom-out of Erebor to Dale where Bard stands with the trumpeters.
I don't think Bard or the elves will be in the scene (they're not in the images. Interestingly, Radagast is though)
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Pandallo
Rivendell
Mar 16 2015, 4:03pm
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The king is come unto his hall
Under the Mountain dark and tall.
The Worm of Dread is slain and dead,
And ever so our foes shall fall!
Now call we over mountains cold,
‘Come back unto the caverns old’!
Here at the Gates the king awaits,
His hands are rich with gems and gold.
I hope the EE contains at least one more song.
Once I heard the beautiful rendition of the Misty Mountains sung by Clamavi De Profundis I had always hoped that they would have Bofur singing the last part of the Misty Mountains theme, the mention of bringing the dislocated Dwarves back home would be resonate well with the entire idea of taking back the homeland.
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Eruonen
Half-elven
Mar 16 2015, 7:48pm
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It is important but not toooo long so that the EE cannot fill in the gaps where needed.
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The EE needs at least 45 minutes extra material....
I think of Theatrical releases with this series as long trailers.
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Goldeneye
Lorien
Mar 16 2015, 9:16pm
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In addition to the funeral scene, we can probably expect to see much more of the battle in the EE. Dwarven ballistas, the ram cavalry, that sled chase on the ice, Beorn for more than 5 seconds, the elves actually shooting their arrows, etc...
The battle is SO poorly edited as it is right now. There's not a good sense of flow or pacing- things are just all over the place. We see the entire elven army pull their bows out, ready to fire and.....the camera cuts away and we never see them again. Huh??
The two sections of the film that need the most attention are the battle itself, and the film's resolution. It was as if Peter Jackson wanted to avoid the "endless endings" criticism from ROTK, and just tried to wrap things up too fast.
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AshNazg
Gondor
Mar 16 2015, 9:47pm
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Where else is anything needed?
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The funeral scene, seeing some sort of closure on the adventure, knowing what happens to the Gold, to Erebor, to the Arkenstone, to Orcrist, to the people of Dale, to Dain - that's all that's NEEDED in this movie.
Seeing more Beorn will be interesting and is arguably needed purely to make his currently brief appearance less jarring.
All of this can be summed up in much less than 45 mins so I think it'll be fine.
I'm actually only expecting it to be 20mins longer. I don't think there's any reason to expect 45, that's not an officially confirmed number. And I'm sure most of the new stuff will be "unnecessary" battle shots, just cool stuff that was cut for time: the rams, the chariot, Alfrid's death etc.
I get the feeling that many people will be disappointed with the EE. There are way too many high expectations, but the reality will be a few fun little sequences (which people will either love or hate) and a more resolved ending.
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Eruonen
Half-elven
Mar 16 2015, 10:42pm
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Smaug's attack.
Dol Guldur
Beorn
Thranduil in and leaving the Woodland Realm
Legolas chased Bolg.....to where?
As noted above, all of the battle holes...etc.
Thorin's funeral.
I realize most of what I want will not be included.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 16 2015, 11:32pm
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The Journey Home and The Last Stage
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Where else is anything needed?
Beyond the funeral, we could use a bit more with Dain as King under the Mountain, showing him to be a fair ruler and grateful to Bilbo. Sources say that Bilbo planted the acorn that he picked up in Dale before he left. We could see that. And it is still possible that Gollum might be lurking in the marshes beyond the ruins of Esgaroth.
We could stand to have some of the return journey. Even if we skip over Bilbo and Gandalf spending the winter with Beorn, we should have a brief stop-over at Rivendell so Sting can receive the engraving we see on it in the LotR films. A last chance to visit with Hugo Weaving as Elrond would also be welcome.
Remind me, did Bilbo recite his poem "Roads Go Ever Ever On" when the pair came in sight of Hobbiton? He should have. And if there are any other significant character cameos during the auction, I wouldn't mind a better chance to spot them. Was a young Primula Brandybuck catching the eye of Drogo Baggins (or vice versa). Maybe young Hamfast Gamgee was present, having recently been apprenticed to his cousin Holman Greenhand.
It seems we can rule out the visit that Gandalf and Balin payed to Bilbo just a few years after his adventure.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Bladerunner
Gondor
Mar 17 2015, 2:33am
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Thorin's funeral could be a nice counterpoint to Aragorn's coronation...
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I was not a fan of the ubiquitous Lord of the Rings references in the new trilogy; however, I think Thorin's funeral scene could have provided (and still may) a nice counterpoint to Aragorn's coronation scene from The Return of the King, - and could serve a similar purpose.
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Goldeneye
Lorien
Mar 17 2015, 3:24am
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I think having all that stuff AFTER the funeral would just drag the film's conclusion. We definitely don't need to see any more Gollum, it's just too much foreshadowing for LOTR.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 17 2015, 3:43am
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I don't think that it's all that much.
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I think having all that stuff AFTER the funeral would just drag the film's conclusion. We definitely don't need to see any more Gollum, it's just too much foreshadowing for LOTR.
Granted, my idea for Gollum came from before we knew the fate of the Master in the movie and before we learned of the planned end for Alfrid. Originally, I thought that the Master (and perhaps Alfrid) might fatally encounter Gollum in the marshes.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 18 2015, 4:39pm
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Bom thinks in The Hall of Kings
with it's "Newly Laid"...Golden Floor..
A procession of the Remaining Company
Walk....
Slowly towards where the Golden Stature was...
First Kili.. then Fili...Then Thorin
are carried on Litters like Bombur in
Mirkwood.
One side of the Hall Are Elves, Men & Beorn....the
Other side would be Dain & the Dwarves from the
Iron Hills who survived...
Last in Line? Gandalf & Bilbo...
Bilbo is carrying the Arkenstone &
it's HE who places it on the chest of Thorin...
A Type of Georgian Chant
(Maori Men's Chorus)
is all we hear.
A Scene Told visually
without any dialogue...
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 20 2015, 11:30pm
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An Image FLASH for the Funeral..?
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A Large numbers of Ravens & Thrushes Flying over-head
Then settling down in the Upper Reaches inside.
Witnessing the Ceremony...THEN
Flying off in
Flocks to Announce the VICTORY
to Ered Luin, & the other
Banished Dwarvish Enclaves...
sorta like PEACE Doves...
WHY? the
MANY Birds would ADD to the
Mystery & Magic, we love, of
MiddleEARTH
{Bomby is STILL hopeing Radagast attends too!}
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Mar 21 2015, 1:29am
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YOUR..BRO
Writes to..TRY to
Let your Imagination
get ..+*..+SPARKLED...+*+.
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SSOoo..YOU canWalk away
to jus' think, your own Thoughts under the STARS..?
Learned
Long ago..
Re-Writing
Professor Tolkien Books
or
SIR PJ's Movies..
can be VERY interestin'..& "Highly Debatable"
BUT..
who ARE
we to,.. to say
WHAT
Was in these 2 Men's Minds?
When they produced these..
{Personally Bomby feels, PJ "Channeled" the Professor}
ARE we Clairvoyant..?
Tolkien in Bombyzz Mind?
is SMILE-ING BIG Time
on New Zealand.
Love izz all there is.
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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banaili
Bree
Mar 22 2015, 2:02pm
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The imagery you have described sounds so perfect. Also, I can't say how depressed and disappointed I was when I saw that the funeral scene was not in the film. The place it's supposed to be was very apparent, in my opinion, because the jump there (from Dale folk blowing horns to honour Durin's lost kin directly to Bilbo's departure) struck me as completely out of sorts.
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Goldeneye
Lorien
Mar 22 2015, 9:46pm
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Yes I'm sure that the funeral will take place right after they blow the horns in Dale. They'll probably show Dain being crowned at that point as well (after the funeral).
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