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The Arda 300: #'s 220-201

Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
Rivendell

Mar 13 2015, 3:17pm

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#220 Pelendur, 2nd Steward of Gondor – gondorian dúnadan steward
[TG:22,EoA:9,Wik:16,RF:5,JT:15,LR:1,UT:2,H12:2=72pts,13indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Pelendur
Sizable entries in both Tyler & Wikipedia give this critical arbiter much of his points. Tyler calls him, “in a sense”, the first Ruling Steward, though that title would not be officially adopted until Pelendur’s grandson. (I went with Ian Stewart & the Stones for the last Steward that appeared, Denethor I. Now its Stu & Zeppelin…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJz1nCFIKUg

#219 Estë the Healer, wife of Lórien (f) – vala queen
[TG:24,EoA:1,Wik:4,RF:4,JT:7,MD:2,DD:10,Sil:2,H1:2,H4:2,H5:4,H10:6,H11:4=72pts,46indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Est%C3%AB
The 2pts she’s awarded from Drout, are due to Marjorie Burns’ ‘Old Norse Literature’ entry in which Estë is compared to “the Norse healing goddess Eir”; and Matthew Dickerson’s ‘Valar’ entry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4REpJ9FsE

#218 Nessa, wife of Tulkas (f) – vala queen
[TG:17,EoA:1,Wik:4,RF:4,JT:4,MD:2,DD:7,Sil:2,H1:2,B1:7,H2:2,H3:2,H4:2,H5:4,H10:10,H11:2=72pts,49indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Nessa
Her 2pts from Drout come from the same 2 entries as Estë (above), with Burns likening Nessa to the Norse giantess Skaldi, who marries a god. She’s listed as the least of the Queens of the Valar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QK3E7-aL0w

#217 Hyarmendacil I, 15th King of Gondor & 4th Ship-king – gondorian dúnadan king
[TG:16,EoA:9,Wik:6,RF:8,JT:20,LR:2,UT:2,H12:10=73pts,11indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Hyarmendacil_I
I think it safe to say that the kings remaining on this list didn’t acquire their ranking by happenstance. Gondor’s greatest war-leader Ciryaher, re-named himself ‘South-victor’ after his conquests. Gondor would never again reach the heights of his reign in the Third Age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHpgFbuo7IY

#216 Berúthiel, Queen of Gondor (f) – black-númenórean southron queen
[TG:31,EoA:4,Wik:28,RF:3,LR:1,LT:1,UT:4,H6:2=74pts,7indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ber%C3%BAthiel
While Burns likens Nessa (above) with the Norse giantess Skaldi, Tolkien himself likened Berúthiel to Skaldi, for different reasons of course: in the latter case, due to both’s dislike of “seaside life”. Online sources contribute most of her points, but I wish I could’ve awarded another for Ted Nasmith’s song ‘Berúthiel’, having witnessed him perform it. (I checked, and it wasn’t available on you-tube, so I had to go with this one…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJux_7W2i8

#215 Tar-Minastir, 11th King of Númenor – númenórean king
[TG:23,EoA:6,Wik:3,RF:5,JT:14,LR:1,Sil:3,UT:6,LoE:9,H12:4=74pts,14indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tar-Minastir
He’s another great war-leader king, like Hyarmendacil I (above); but this time of Númenor, as he sent the great fleet to aid Gil-galad and defeat Sauron prior to Númenor establishing their dominions in Middle-earth. (The geography isn’t at all the same, but the spirit definitely is…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMSWcI6B7qc

#214 Bregalad ‘Quickbeam’ – ent
[TG:16,EoA:8,Wik:5,RF:9,JT:7,DD:14,LR:3,H7:2,H8:6,H9:2,HoF+:2=pts,74pts,24indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Quickbeam
He’s the first to appear with points (2) awarded from a few online favourite character lists that I initially used, as I thought them relevant to a minimal degree: the overall total of which is a mere .01% of the list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wzF5wbONjE

#213 Ilmarë, handmaid of Varda (f) – maia handmaid
[TG:17,EoA:6,Wik:6,RF:2,JT:2,MD:1,DD:6,JG:1,Sil:1,H1:4,B1:16,H5:8,H10:4=74pts,25indx.pg]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ilmar%C3%AB
She’s one of the few Maiar to have made it into the Valaquenta of the published Sil. However, she’s been a character since the ‘Lost Tales’, and Garth notes her early incarnations as Erinti, Vala of Love, representing Edith. Upon my final go-through, I found it necessary to transfer 2 of Nessa’s points (above & adjusted accordingly) to Ilmarë, as CT notes in the lexicons under the name Nessa, that in QL it’s a name of Erinti, as “there was clearly much early shifting among the goddesses”. Thus she ranks right amongst the non-Aratar Valier, one of which remains. (Ilmarë is translated most often as ‘Starlight’…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfB8Q6DpZ0

#212 *Sador Labadal, servant of Húrin – adan (drúadan?) woodman/carpenter
[TG:29,EoA:2,Wik:27,CoH:5,UT:10,H11:2=75pts,22indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sador
He’s the 8th last asterisked character (followed by the 7th last below), as he doesn’t appear before UT. As such he gets no points from Foster or Tyler, and only 2 from Encyclopedia of Arda. As for his racial classification, CT does state in UT: “It was my father’s intention ultimately to transform Sador, the old serving-man in Húrin’s house in Dor-lomin, into a Drûg”. The tone of this, given all of CT’s writings, seems more unequivocal than ephemeral; nonetheless the listing above is how I present Sador here. How I tally the final 1210+ totals, will probably see 2 drúedain appear, for the additional reason that CT’s same footnote above lends enough skepticism as to which House, if any, of the Edain Sador had belonged. No doubt, Tolkien was in the process of bringing his earlier mythology, with an eye for publication (sadly undone), more in line with LotR. (If Bilbo’s blade Sting had qualified to make this list, Bobby Darin would’ve certainly supplied the song; as it is, he can still appear, here in another pre-classic rock number…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjFRLOktHXo

#211 *Khamûl the Black Easterling, 2nd Chief of the Nazgûl – ringwraith
[TG:21,EoA:1,Wik:7,DD:39,UT:8=76pts,5indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Kham%C3%BBl
Yes, without Day’s A-Z he’s right off the map. So does Khamûl belong here, and does Day’s book contribute justifiably? This is the culmination of that thesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlzpJL3XBPU

#210 Erkenbrand, Lord of the Westfold – rohirrim lord
[TG:29,EoA:2,Wik:7,RF:7,JT:7,LR:2,UT:6,H8:16=76pts,35indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Erkenbrand
It was he who was entrusted with the western defences of Rohan, and fortifying the Hornburg, following the emergence of Saruman as the ‘Judas’ Wizard. Fortunately Erkenbrand met and rode with Gandalf to the Battle of Helm’s Deep before the dawn of the rising sun…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZawnqnroVNk

#209 Aranarth, 1st Chieftain of the Dúnedain – arnorian dúnadan chieftain
[TG:41,EoA:13,Wik:10,RF:4,JT:6,LR:1,H12:2=77pts,9indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aranarth
This king without a kingdom, who was descended from both Isildur & Anárion, acquired 64 of his points from the 3 online sources, where it seems his legacy has been most notably elaborated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdTKbODBMpk

#208 Gorlim the Unhappy, outlaw companion of Barahir – 1st house adan warrior/outlaw
[TG:24,EoA:2,Wik:10,RF:7,JT:10,MD:1,DK:1,Sil:4,H2:2,H3:6,H4:2,H5:4,H11:4=77pts,42indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Gorlim
No less than 13 sources contribute to his standing. His point from Drout’s Encyclopedia comes from Thomas Honegger’s entry on ‘Treason’. In it, he notes the resistance to torture Gorlim endures to not betray his comrades, and the difficult choice he faced upon the offer to be reunited with his wife. Kane, for his part, cites the sources that preceded the version in the published Sil, and notes that in both the ‘Lay of Leithian’ and the original QS text, “Gorlim’s treachery [was] much more deliberate than in the final story”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mDur9JQefE

#207 Thengel, 16th King of Rohan – rohirrim king
[TG:20,EoA:1,Wik:3,RF:6,JT:30,LR:2,UT:2,H7:6,H8:4,H9:2,H12:2=78pts,22indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Thengel
Tyler’s thorough entry gives this King, whom Aragorn once served, his most points. Little is known of his mother or 2 elder sisters, but it’s within the realm of possibility that when Thengel came of age, and had to get outta Rohan due to the intolerable situation with his father, he appealed to at least one of his sisters to escape with him…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CTL7QUjtQ

#206 Elanor the Fair, daughter of Sam Gamgee (f) – hobbit
[TG:31,EoA:2,Wik:8,RF:10,JT:14,LR:2,LT:1UT:4,H9:6=78pts,32indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elanor_Fairbairn
Her point from Letters is from Tolkien’s October 1955 response to Katherine Farrer, following the release of RotK, in which he states “I still feel the picture incomplete without something on Samwise and Elanor, but I could not devise anything that would not have destroyed the ending”. Of course 6 of her points derive from the Epilogue in HoMe9 in which she plays her largest role, with dialogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Itt02QOO0

#205 Hama, Captain of the King’s Guard of Rohan – rohirrim captain
[TG:31,EoA:1,Wik:31,RF:4,JT:4,LR:2,UT:2,H7:2,H8:2=79pts,23indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Hama
The Battle of Helm’s Deep, a victory in the end for Rohan, left brutal scars; including the only ever breach, due to Saruman’s explosives, of the Deeping Wall, as well as the hewing of Hama’s body before the Gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfU_1ABKT-4

#204 Felaróf ‘Mansbane’, horse of Eorl – meara mount
[TG:15,EoA:13,Wik:2,RF:8,JT:11,DD:26,LR:1,UT:2,H7:2,H12:2=82pts,12indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Felar%C3%B3f
The first of the Mearas, he was tamed only by Eorl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8On3UiBOTdQ

#203 Ar-Gimilzôr, 23rd King of Númenor – númenórean king
[TG:32,EoA:2,Wik:4,RF:6,JT:5,LR:1,Sil:3,UT:6,LoE:15,H5:2,H9:4,H12:2=82pts,13indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ar-Gimilz%C3%B4r
“He was the greatest enemy of the Faithful that had yet arisen; and forbade utterly the use of the Eldarin tongues, and would not permit any of the Eldar to come to the land, and punished those that welcomed them”: as stated in UT’s ‘Line of Elros’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CoqOgoyaU

#202 *Andróg, outlaw companion of Túrin Turambar – 3rd house adan outlaw
[TG:40,Wik:34,CoH:2,UT:6=82pts,19indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Andr%C3%B3g
It was he who spoke up for Túrin’s joining his band of outlaws, and for a brief time, Andróg, Túrin, Beleg, & Mîm lived together on Bar-en-Danwedh, and oooh the dysfunction…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JAioASm8c

#201 Tar-Ancalimë, 7th Ruler of Númenor & 1st Ruling Queen (f) – númenórean ruling-queen
[TG:26,EoA:12,Wik:3,RF:4,JT:2,DK:1,LR:1,UT:18,LoE:11,H12:4=82pts,29indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tar-Ancalime
To produce an heir, she had a loveless marriage with Hallatan of Hyarastorni, who died 74 years before her; she neglected her father’s policy of lending aid to Gil-galad; and she forbade her serving women to marry. But it’s not like she literally killed anyone…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJzOzrhgElM


The top 200 will fittingly begin with the mother of #201 above…


glossary:

*=as in CT's indexing in UT (ie. characters not appearing in Hobbit/LotR/AdvTB/Sil)
@=guest at Bilbo’s Farewell Party
(f)=female (n)=neutral

POINTS - for ENTRIES: TG=Tolkien Gateway,EoA=Encyclopedia of Arda,Wik=Wikipedia,RF=Robert Foster’s Complete Guide to Middle-earth,JT=J.E.A. Tyler’s Tolkien Companion,DD=David Day’s A-Z of Tolkien; for INDICES: LR=Lord of the Rings,Sil=Silmarillion,UT=Unfinished Tales,HX=History of Middle-earth Vol.X,LT=Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien,HC=Humphrey Carpenter’s Biography,JG=John Garth’s Tolkien and the Great War,JR=John Rateliff’s History of The Hobbit,DK=Douglas Kane’s Arda Reconstructed; for both ENTRIES & INDICES: MD=Michael Drout’s Tolkien Encyclopedia; for NAME-LISTS: CoH=Children of Húrin,B1 or B2=the ‘Qenya & Gnomish Lexicons’ from Book of Lost Tales Vols.1&2,FoG=the ‘Fall of Gondolin’ from BoLT Vol.2,LoE=the ‘Line of Elros’ tree & list from UT; MISC: HoF+=votes from the Hall of Fire thread that initiated this project + a composite of selected favourite character lists.


sador
Half-elven


Mar 16 2015, 11:29am

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This wa a most excellent list indeed!
Any list which includes Procol Harum would gain a few brownie point from me, The Animals were long overdue, and ''She's Not There' is my daughter's absolute favourite song (she's eight, so this must be her father's fault).

I am surprised that Tar-Minastir is so low on the list; I consider him a truly fascinating character (and great fictional king). On the other hand, I didn't expect all the Valier to be so high - I guess that using Drout helps...

And I always had sympathy for that poor devil Androg. His rescuing Beleg with his last strength is another of Tolkien's unnoticed instances of dying redemption.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Mar 17 2015, 1:44am

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I have long loved "She's Not There", but Santana's version. It seems to be missing some things, without his guitar, and without the latin percussion.
There are a few musical contributors that I have missed so far, but I suspect they will show up eventually. At least some of them.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


sador
Half-elven


Mar 17 2015, 7:20am

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I like Santana's version, and even Vanilla Fudge's - which is what might be expected from a book-fan who not only like's Jackson's films, but had fond (if blurred) memories of Bakshi's. Smile


I really enjoy Dan's lists. As a rule, it seems my taste tends to be a bit softer and more 'artsy' - I do like Led Zeppelin, but they wouldn't figure so much on any list I would make (for one thing, I am not familiar enough with as many of their songs). But he did include Procol, the Zombies, and Supertramp (in his first list) - and I can work with earphones, so I sometimes just take one song of Dan's list, and follow Youtube's recommendations.
This list was particularly excellent (according to my taste) - I didn't even comment on 'Eleanor Rigby', not even to say that Elanor Gamgee's name was spelled differently! And it came in an excellent time: the last couple of days were tumultous for us, with trying to get our son into a prestigious high school.
So my taste is probably different from Dan's, but not by much; and in terms of sheer scope and knowledge, I am much inferior to him. Reading his comments on different characters, it seems that both things apply to tolkien's universe, too...
And of course, there are still notable omissions; I don't remember either the Doors or Jefferson's Airplane/Starship, for instance; and judging by his lists so far, I am surprised the most by the absence of the Kinks. But I expect I won't need to wait overlong.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Mar 17 2015, 1:48pm

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No two are exactly alike. Wink (Interestingly, though, I was specifically thinking of the Doors when I made my comment about omissions, though I wasn't going to say so, since we do after all after 200 more chances. I am guessing there is one group that won't be included, but we will have to see.)

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire

 
 

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