Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
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Feb 28 2015, 7:24pm
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The Arda 300: #'s 240-221
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#240 Scatha the Worm – cold-drake/long-worm dragon
[TG:18,EoA:10,Wik:7,RF:3,JT:10,JR:2,DD:12,LR:2,H9:2=66pts,12indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Scatha
3 dragons remain after Scatha. The Cold-drake of Ered Mithrin appeared at the start of the list, as an unnamed/unindexed entity. Likewise, I think I’ll add the old dragon of the poem ‘The Hoard’ to bring the list soon to 1210, for a total of 6 Middle-earth dragons appearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDr2XwuKEbQ
#239 Finduilas of Dol Amroth (f) – gondorian dúnadan
[TG:20,EoA:1,Wik:8,RF:7,JT:5,MD:1,LR:2,UT:6,H8:2,H9:10,H12:4=66pts,17indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...s_(wife_of_Denethor)
I’m not sure what the title of a sister of a Ruling Prince is, nor the wife of a Ruling Steward. However, most women will eventually be classified as either children, wives, or mothers, due to the nature of Tolkien’s world. Nonetheless, this Finduilas died way too young…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8GQvn8l2E
#238 Lenwë/Dân, 1st Lord of the Nandor – nando lord
[TG:8,EoA:3,Wik:2,RF:6,JT:10,MD:1,DK:4,Sil:4,H4:8,H5:2,H10:6,H11:10,H12:2=66pts,28indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Lenw%C3%AB
My namesake is awarded 4pts from Kane due largely to his multiple names. In Arda Reconstructed Kane asks & answers the question: “Denethor’s father is Dân (or Nano) in both the Annals of Aman and the ‘later Quenta’, so where did the name ‘Lenwë’ come from? The answer is, from the essay Quendi and Eldar published in [HoMe11, where CT] confirms in a footnote to that essay that Lenwë replaced the ‘long-standing name Dân of Denethor’s father”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDC7OP5LAlc
#237 Aerin, wife of Brodda the Easterling – 3rd house adan
[TG:13,EoA:2,Wik:8,RF:4,JT:11,DK:1,Sil:3,CoH:2,UT:6,H2:6,B2:5.H4:2,H5:2,H11:2=67pts,29indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aerin
She has a long history, going back to the ‘Lost Tales’, as Airin; and is included in the lexicons, under her Gnomish name Faiglindra ‘long-tressed’, which provides 5 of her points. In the Narn it was added that as Túrin and company fled Brodda’s hall, they looked back and saw the red light. “They have fired the hall”, said Túrin. “To what purpose is that?” “They? No, lord: she, I guess,” said one, Asgon by name. “Many a man of arms misreads patience and quiet. She did much good among us at much cost. Her heart was not faint, and patience will break at the last”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42Xg-mAkGg
#236 Elfhelm, Marshal of the East-mark of Rohan – rohirrim marshal
[TG:33,EoA:1,Wik:3,RF:5,JT:10,LR:3,UT:8,H8:4=67pts,32indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elfhelm
No word if Elfhelm had a woman that treated him bad, but Marshall Tucker’s best song must accompany the highest ranking marshal..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlc6xCPx60U
#235 Gerontius ‘the Old’ Took, 26th Thain of the Shire – hobbit thain
[TG:24,EoA:2,Wik:2,RF:9,JT:4,MD:2,JR:3,LR:3,UT:6,H6:10,H9:2=67pts,44indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Gerontius_Took
I think Bob Seger is actually approaching 130yrs old here…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC591RscJyw
#234 Brytta Léofa, 11th King of Rohan – rohirrim king
[TG:14,EoA:14,Wik:4,RF:6,JT:4,LR:2,H7:4,H8:6,H9:10,H12:4=68pts,10indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Brytta_L%C3%A9ofa
This king’s name is loosely translated as ‘burning love’…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJac6OykfM
#233 Silmariën, mother of Valandil 1st Lord of Andúnië (f) – númenórean princess
[TG:31,EoA:3,Wik:3,RF:3,JT:14,DK:1,LR:1,Sil:3,UT:6,LoE:1,H12:2=68pts,16indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Silmarien
Well, she should have been queen, under other laws. But her heirlooms & progeny survived the fall…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0_P8w_al4
#232 Thrain I, King of Durin’s Folk – dwarf king
[TG:31,EoA:1,Wik:1,RF:6,JT:5,DD:16,LR:1,UT:4,H7:2,H12:2=69pts,13indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Thrain_I
When he founded the mighty kingdom-to-be, Erebor, in 1999 T.A., and then discovered his prize, the Arkenstone, a party must have ensued…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9jvkaswPQ
#231 Valandil, 3rd King of Arnor – arnorian dúnadan king
[TG:21,EoA:12,Wik:9,RF:6,JT:5,MD:2,LR:2,UT:4,H5:2,H7:2,H12:4=69pts,34indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Valandil_of_Arnor
As the last surviving son of Isildur, who had to wait 8yrs to be of age for kingship, and then ruled for 239yrs, a reign not matched in the history of either Kingdom, he knew the importance of survival…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrb0jIR2_8
#230 Draugluin, lord & sire of the werewolves of Angband – werewolf lord
[TG:12,EoA:2,Wik:4,RF:6,JT:3,MD:1,DD:24,Sil:3,H2:2,H3:6,H4:2,H5:2,H11:2=69pts,38indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Draugluin
His point from Drout’s Encyclopedia comes from Marjorie Burns’ ‘Old Norse Literature’ entry, in which she likens Thû/Sauron feeding Draugluin the “flesh of Man and Elf” in the Lay of Leithian, to Odin’s feeding his wolves the flesh of the battle fallen. She also notes the effectiveness of the “harsher and more pointed image” in the Lay, than that of the published Silmarillion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PFz56XWQI
#229 Vairë the Weaver, wife of Mandos (f) – vala queen
[TG:21,EoA:3,Wik:5,RF:5,JT:4,MD:2,DD:9,Sil:2,H1:4,H4:2,H5:4,H10:6,H12:2=69pts,38indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vair%C3%AB
She’s the first Vala on this list, and the first of 4 non-Aratar Valier that will appear next. Her 2pts from Drout’s Encyclopedia come from Matthew Dickerson’s entry ‘The Valar’, and Marjorie Burns’ ‘Old Norse Literature’ entry, in which she compares Vairë, “who ‘weaves all things’ into her ‘storied webs’ [to] the three Norse Norns, who are sometimes described as weaving the world’s destiny”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WrD-fAzx4
#228 Dorlas of Brethil – 2nd house adan woodman
[TG:13,EoA:2,Wik:7,RF:5,JT:21,Sil:3,CoH:2,UT:6,H2:2,H11:8=69pts,41indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dorlas
What can be said of Dorlas, other than he was human. His high-note, I guess, was having a grief-stricken Túrin carried back to his stockade after he relayed the truth to him, and brought him to the grave of Finduilas. But Dorlas subsequently laid into Túrin, and then to his own people, for not doing enough to lead the charge. When it was only Túrin, Hunthor, and him, volunteering to set out to confront Glaurung, father of all dragons, Dorlas eventually ran away and hid in abject fear. Not evil, not deceptive, just suffering from abundant humanity, and perhaps a little ofermode. I’m glad Hunthor appears a few points below. I chose this song over Burton Cummings’ ‘I’m Scared’, not wanting to inundate Canadiana upon all…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e84upmP3hI
#227 Baragund, companion of Barahir – 1st house adan soldier/outlaw
[TG:18,EoA:4,Wik:1,RF:4,JT:13,DK:1,Sil:3,CoH:1,UT:6,H2:2,H3:4,H4:4,H5:4,H11:4=69pts,48indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Baragund
His point from Kane’s Arda Reconstructed, in addition to the genealogical family-tree error switch with his brother Belegund, comes from an interesting edit/non-edit that transpired in CT’s Sil. In the 2nd paragraph of chapter 18, CT rightly changed “fifth generation of Men after Bëor” to 6th generation, correcting an error on Tolkien’s part. However, CT admits in HoMe11 that he did not further edit the erroneous follow-up that this 6th generation “were not yet come to full manhood”, as Baragund & Belegund, of that generation, were 35 and 33 years old respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSe6uwKTkpw
#226 Tar-Elendil ‘Parmaitë’, 4th King of Númenor – númenórean king
[TG:26,EoA:2,Wik:6,RF:4,JT:2,DK:1,LR:1,Sil:2,UT:12,LoE:12,H12:2=70pts,16indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tar-Elendil
Kane’s point here is due to an omission from the published ‘Akallabêth’ that states “if the later law holding that the oldest child would be heir to the throne regardless of gender – which was adopted when Tar-Ankalimë became the first ruling queen – had been in place earlier, the lords of Andúnië would have held the sceptre, since they were descended from Silmariën, the oldest child of Tar-Elendil”. Maybe if he had a more forceful hand to implement the change centuries earlier, rather than acquiring the nickname Parmaitë (Book-handed), lover of making books, Arda might still be flat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ege8jJ4ZdeU
#225 Grishnákh – orc captain
[TG:20,EoA:2,Wik:6,RF:9,JT:5,MD:1,DD:19,LR:2,H7:2,H8:2,H12:2=70pts,23indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Grishn%C3%A1kh
His point from Drout’s Encyclopedia comes from Brian Rosebury’s ‘Race in Tolkien Films’ entry. Thus, admittedly, a fraction of this list is inflated by appearances in various multimedia outlets. Tolkien Gateway even notes role-playing games, and omissions from films (see Haldir below). Rosebury does state the case that Jackson’s Orcs “are more nearly human, and often more European, in appearance than the black, prognathous, red-eyed beasts and ghouls of Bakshi’s” animated version. Having said that, this performance, I think, is a no-brainer…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJzoBmVPeYw
#224 Haldir, marchwarden of Lothlórien – silvan-elf warden
[TG:24,EoA:2,Wik:26,RF:4,JT:2,LR:2,H7:10=pts,70pts,45indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/...(elf_of_L%C3%B3rien)
It appears Haldir had a Wikipedia entry which gave him his most points at the time of my initial tabulations. Jackson probably had an influence on this. Wiki does change, as can Tolkien Gateway, and I think this likely. But for perspective, no more than 3 of Haldir’s TG points come from referencing Jackson; while at least 2pts are awarded by TG’s mention of Haldir’s omission from Bakshi’s film and his portrayal in the 1981 radio series by Haydn Wood. At any rate, if this was a Jackson Movie list, Craig Parker’s character would probably make the top 25. As it is, the real thing’s just #224.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHO-PkwWbw
#223 ’Moneybags’, Master of Lake-town – northman master
[TG:37,EoA:9,Wik:4,RF:9,JT:11,MD:1=71pts,1indx.pg]
http://tolkiengateway.net/.../Master_of_Lake-town
50 of his points come from the 3 online sources. Being a Hobbit character, he’s unindexed in anything other than Drout’s Encyclopedia, in which he’s mentioned, not surprisingly, in Hal Colebatch’s entry on ‘[Tolkien &] Capitalism’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Fk9EvaUyo
#222 Arveleg I, 8th King of Arthedain – arnorian dúnadan king
[TG:32,EoA:9,Wik:8,RF:9,JT:8,LR:1,H12:4=71pts,8indx.pgs]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Arveleg_I
As a listed king, he gets most of his points from the standard 7 sources, but is noted most for advancing the frontier, along with ally Cardolan, against Angmar & Rhudaur. The result was a strong 50-year respite in which Weathertop was the occupied tri-border fortress of King Arveleg & the prince of Cardolan (of the red-hill country). However they both succumbed to the Witch-king’s returning forces in T.A. 1409. So, you can do an ‘American Pie’ analysis of these lyrics:
“The black queen chants the funeral march / the cracked brass bell will ring,
To summon back the fire witch / to the court of the crimson king.”
and the other stanzas, including who the yellow jester, the gardener, the pattern juggler, and the purple piper are, if you will… well the yellow jester should be obvious…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5iRL8eTsg
#221 Hunthor, companion of Túrin Turambar – 2nd house adan
[TG:26,EoA:3,Wik:1,RF:6,JT:3,DK:1,Sil:3,CoH:2,UT:4,H2:2,H11:20=71pts,34indx.pgs each]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Hunthor
Túrin & Hunthor, being the only 2 companions left after Dorlas bowed out in fear, himself initially chastising the Men of Brethil for declining to embark on the pursuit of Glaurung, leaves only one choice for this song…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUcvyypAq8
glossary:
*=as in CT's indexing in UT (ie. characters not appearing in Hobbit/LotR/AdvTB/Sil)
@=guest at Bilbo’s Farewell Party
(f)=female (n)=neutral
POINTS - for ENTRIES: TG=Tolkien Gateway,EoA=Encyclopedia of Arda,Wik=Wikipedia,RF=Robert Foster’s Complete Guide to Middle-earth,JT=J.E.A. Tyler’s Tolkien Companion,DD=David Day’s A-Z of Tolkien; for INDICES: LR=Lord of the Rings,Sil=Silmarillion,UT=Unfinished Tales,HX=History of Middle-earth Vol.X,LT=Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien,HC=Humphrey Carpenter’s Biography,JG=John Garth’s Tolkien and the Great War,JR=John Rateliff’s History of The Hobbit,DK=Douglas Kane’s Arda Reconstructed; for both ENTRIES & INDICES: MD=Michael Drout’s Tolkien Encyclopedia; for NAME-LISTS: CoH=Children of Húrin,B1 or B2=the ‘Qenya & Gnomish Lexicons’ from Book of Lost Tales Vols.1&2,FoG=the ‘Fall of Gondolin’ from BoLT Vol.2,LoE=the ‘Line of Elros’ tree & list from UT; MISC: HoF=votes from the Hall of Fire thread that initiated this project + a composite of selected favourite character lists.
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sador
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Mar 2 2015, 10:46am
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However, I wasn't familiar with that preformance of In the Court of the Crimson King, so I must thank you!
I must say that I am surprised by the low position of Grishnákh; but that surely depends on how you count points. The same applieas to Haldir and the Master of Lake-town. Why didn't you add Rateliff's index?
(and I don't think Grishnákh's mission was to seek and destroy - rather to carry the prisoners back to the waiting Nazgúl).
And as an inside-TORn joke, I was hoping that for no. 230 you would link to Sympathy with the Devil, as a homage to this long-absent fellow (see his signature)...
Thank you again, for both the list and the music!
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Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin
Rivendell
Mar 2 2015, 3:28pm
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No Fripp, that's why its King Crimson (sort of)...
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But I'm glad you're tuning in.
Rateliff is a substantial contributor, if that's what you're asking, but his index doesn't include your mentioned characters. Also, Metallica's alternate you-tube version "Seek and bring back to the Nazgul" didn't have the Halloween orc-like masks, so I didn't choose it. 
And between you and me, sador, 'Sympathy for the Devil' will appear very near the top, in all of its context...
(This post was edited by Dân o’Nandor-on-Anduin on Mar 2 2015, 3:31pm)
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