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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 1:32pm
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are you a Tolkien fan who thanks PJ, or a PJ fan who thanks Tolkien?
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With all this blast about fan edits, I think it all (pretty much) comes to this question. If you are a Tolkien fan who thanks PJ for his work you may agree that he did it right with LOTR, but no so with the Hobbit If you are the opposite, a fan of PJ ´s work whoKNOWS the personal vibe of his previous and later projects than maybe you will thank Tolkien for provided PJ such material for him to show his talent. What comes to mind is: where is the exact zone were both points of view take hands togheter? I think it is not a unique point, but this occurs to happen more times during LOTR movies than Hobbit ones. Then it follows another question: WHAT MADE PJ approach to Tolkien so succesfull? I think it all comes to be a mixture, so extreme opinions I think are daring to much Because lets not forget we here have two facts: Tolkien movies have proven succesfull prior to PJ PJ have proved succesfull (but not as Tolkien) being a director I think its a very organic fact that fan edit Hobbit movies happen, because nothing is quintesentiall, nor Tolkien, nor PJ. But its a fact PJ has to thank more to Tolkien than Tolkien to PJ, so well, its clear that this kind of things happen, or at least to make extreme opinions a bit more relaxed
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EomundDaughter
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Feb 26 2015, 1:46pm
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and then grateful for all the PJ films...LOTR and TH
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Misty Mountain Hop
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Feb 26 2015, 1:47pm
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The only way I'm actually able to spell Tolkien is because of Peter. I fell in love with the world of Middle Earth because of how elaborate and outstanding the movies were (LOTR). If it wasn't for him, I would have never read the books and gained a whole lot more interest. I never grew up on Tolkien until I watched LOTR in 2001-2003. It was then that I became a Tolkien fan. I was born in 1990, so I don't have this deep respect for Tolkien that others do. I still greatly appreciate his work, but I also greatly appreciate Jackson's work as well. Edit: Tolkien was more of a genius than Peter, but I was exposed to Peter in a greater way than Tolkien, which is why I have my opinion the way I do.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 1:48pm
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I became a fan of PJ doing Tolkien, after that I knew other PJ movies and apreciated his own taste; and also in the case of Tolkien
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 1:50pm
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I like the books and I like the films but I don't feel any impetus to thank the individuals. I think my role is to enagage with the works an audience member, to consider them and to respond to them - I don't really see that there is a follow obligation for gratitude beyond that.
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Glorfindela
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Feb 26 2015, 1:51pm
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I have always viewed the LotR and Hobbit books separately, and neither is better than the other as far as I'm concerned – they are just different. I don't compare the two, except very loosely, when it comes to major character changes, or omissions or additions. As far as enjoyment of the work is concerned, I have to say that PJ's work has provided me with more pleasure than the books ever did, much as I like them. With the films, I feel I have been able to immerse myself in the world of ME far more than I have done when reading the books. I think this may be because many of the films' characters are more fleshed out than they are in Tolkien's books, and the visuals in both the Hobbit and LotR bring the world of ME to life.
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Gianna
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Feb 26 2015, 2:02pm
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I'm a Tolkien fan who thanks PJ.
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There are some things I don't like about the LOTR films, and lots of things I don't like about the Hobbit ones, but in the end, PJ has spent years of work making these films for us. He deserves credit for that at least. As to the question, what made PJ's approach to Tolkien so successful? I think it is possibly the fact that he dared to attempt a live-action LOTR film at all. Everyone used to think any movie of LOTR would have to be animation, but PJ ignored that and tried anyways. And he succeeded for the most part! So I think it's (partly) that he accomplished something thought to be impossible, that made it successful. Also, he seemed to have a lot of love for the book, which is definitely essential to making a successful film out of it.
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dormouse
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Feb 26 2015, 2:05pm
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I enjoy the books and the films....
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...and I'm glad I'm having the chance to experience all of them.
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Elessar
Valinor
Feb 26 2015, 2:12pm
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be it the books or movies.
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Feb 26 2015, 2:20pm
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I'm thankful to Jackson for introducing me to Tolkien.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 2:29pm
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yeah, despite more or less succesfull decissions he has made PJ deserves A LOT of credit
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 2:31pm
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and I love with his capability to see in his mind the whole project done before even started
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definetly a man with viviosn and thats a true gift
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Hanzkaz
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Feb 26 2015, 2:43pm
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- first Tolkien for introducing me to the world of 'the Hobbit who lived in a hole' and then PJ for bringing that world to the big screen. I'd also like to thank all the others involved in this endeavour, the cast, the crew, the artists, everyone. As much as I admire Tolkien's accomplishments, I think Peter Jackson had the more difficult job, finding the support, the resources and the right people to bring the Professor's vision to life. And he had to fight for that to happen.
From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy - 'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Feb 26 2015, 2:51pm
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I read the books many years ago, but I can't say that I'm all that devoted to them. In fact, having recently re-read "The Hobbit" I can honestly say I didn't like it much, I felt it was too underdeveloped. And honestly, when I went to see "The Fellowship" I didn't even remember half of the characters! But I am a HUGE fan of the Hobbit/LoTR movies, probably more than I am a PJ fan, because I've seen very few of his other movies. I've seen "King Kong" and, while it was good I still prefer the 1930's version, probably for sentimental reasons. I think part of the reason I love these movies so much is because Peter really built up the whole world of Middle Earth, with lots of layers and attention to detail, and he really nailed the casting. I can't think of a single character who was mis-cast in all six movies, right down to Grimma Wormtongue. Maybe I could have done without Alfrid, but Ryan Gage still played the part well. And a small part is probably the location: New Zealand itself. I thought the best scene ever was Aragorn riding past the mountain range in TTT, well that may be replaced by the Dwarves walking under the waterfall in AUJ. As God is my witness, I swear I will make it to NZ sometime in the next year!
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smtfhw
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Feb 26 2015, 3:00pm
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I was a fan of the books right from the get-go when our wonderful English teacher read/told the stories to us. I was about 9 or 10 at the time (way back at the end of the 1960s) and I approached the LOTR films with a deal of caution having never quite got over the animated attempt which I hated with a passion... Let me tell you I waited a long time to venture into the cinema as a result of that. It took the persuasion of a couple of fellow Tolkien-fans whose judgement I trusted to get me to go and take a look for myself. And that's when I became a fan of PJ. So that's both for me please :).
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Bombadil
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Feb 26 2015, 3:08pm
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Bomby had been baking a movie as the ONLY
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BREAKFAST for 35 years...Then along came a Kiwi who FINALLY provided a Glorious Second Breakfast as a Fully Catered "BanQuest.". Now we got an " Elevensies" of Special Magnificence! AND BOM IZZ... not full yet? But THANKS JRRT &PJ equally
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 3:21pm
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agree on the King Kong thingXD
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but anyway PJ´s King captured so well the atomposphere of the 30´s or at least as I concieve it
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Noria
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Feb 26 2015, 3:25pm
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Back in 2001 I was nervous about the books I had loved for decades being made into movies. So I am grateful to PJ for not mucking it up and making LotR movies that I love. Now I am grateful to PJ for making Hobbit movies that I rather enjoy more than the original book. But Tolkien is always the source.
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Ilmatar
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Feb 26 2015, 3:43pm
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I first read LotR at age 12 and fell completely in love with it. It took me into a fantastic world that I could clearly see in my mind's eye. A few years back I had discovered my love for history (continuing to this day), and Middle Earth was depicted in a way that showed how it had rich ancient past before the events in the book took place - the pure epicness, poetry, beauty and even the subtle humor - it all just won my heart. I became attached to the characters, re-read the book every few years and cried a little in the end. A little later I read the Hobbit and liked it too, but was a little disappointed because the story was - naturally - so much simpler and there were less details, less characters, and less wonderful places to explore with them. I introduced the books to my family and got my mother & brother to feel at home in Middle Earth as well. But I'm happy to also love the movies, and do thank PJ for them. The rich fantastic world, the feeling of it having an ancient history and various cultures, the creatures and the details, beautiful scenery and memorable characters (plus wonderful music) - it's all there. When it comes to the movies, I don't find the Hobbit inferior to LotR at all (both have their own strengths but the Hobbit made a deeper emotional impact on me). "What made PJ's approach to Tolkien so successful?" I think it's mostly the attention to detail, the combined efforts of talented artists, and great casting - to put it simply . I don't think the movies are "perfect" and there are some things I would like to be done differently, but like some others have said there are more things I like than those I don't, and my life is all the more richer for having these movies in it. I don't really compare the books with the movies and enjoy both for their own merits and as their own experiences. And while I have been a Tolkien fan since I first read LOtR, I don't see myself as a PJ fan exactly, just a fan of his LotR and Hobbit movies (while having seen some others by him as well).
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Glorfindela
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Feb 26 2015, 4:32pm
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I have always viewed the LotR and Hobbit books separately from the films… More haste, less speed.
I have always viewed the LotR and Hobbit books separately, and neither is better than the other as far as I'm concerned – they are just different. I don't compare the two, except very loosely, when it comes to major character changes, or omissions or additions. As far as enjoyment of the work is concerned, I have to say that PJ's work has provided me with more pleasure than the books ever did, much as I like them. With the films, I feel I have been able to immerse myself in the world of ME far more than I have done when reading the books. I think this may be because many of the films' characters are more fleshed out than they are in Tolkien's books, and the visuals in both the Hobbit and LotR bring the world of ME to life.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 26 2015, 8:48pm
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I would pretty much copy everything you said.
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I've been a Tolkien fan since 1969, and I wished for a live-action LotR for 30 years before my wish was granted. It wasn't quite what I had longed for, but I was still very glad to see it done. I was less excited about The Hobbit, and I haven't cared for the movies that much, though I do love parts of them, so the idea of a fan edit doesn't offend me at all. It wouldn't hurt the original movies at all, any more than a fan music video using footage from a movie hurts the movie. But I can always just use the "select scene" option on my player to watch the parts I like best, I guess. And even though I don't love everything about the LotR movies, I do love them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories leleni at hotmail dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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arithmancer
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Feb 26 2015, 9:08pm
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...it was a nice way to celebrate my Tolkien Silver Anniversary (25 years since I had read my first Tolkien book, "The Hobbit"). He became then, and still remains, the author of my favorite books, especially LotR which I first read a couple years later (I was only 6 when I read "The Hobbit". LotR was too hard. ) I love all six of Jackson's Middle Earth movies. They are my favorite films.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Feb 26 2015, 9:27pm
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is pretty much untouchable as a literary giant, and wrote some of my very favorite books, and i at least like all of his work. I'm only a fan of Peter Jackson depending on which film we're talking about. He's obviously made some great ones, some of the best i've ever seen. But he also has a penchant for overindulgence, which has produced some questionable films in my view. But i still look forward to seeing whatever he does.
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RosieLass
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Feb 26 2015, 9:43pm
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I am a Tolkien fan who enjoyed the films.
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But who also thinks the films could have been a whole lot better. Further than that, I can't commit myself.
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