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Spriggan
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Feb 24 2015, 12:12pm
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Well, no real idea is better than no idea - I must be improving.
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Perhaps the mists will clear at some point.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 24 2015, 12:20pm
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Not pointless, but of limited use.
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It seems to me.
If I suggested that the Fifty Shades film would be better as a musical we can only have the vaguest of discussions about it, compared to the reality of actually seeing a musical version.
Without the cast, director, script, music, production values and a thousand other real world aspects, I just don't think it gets us very far.
Just so in the example above:
1. TH would be good as a multipart kid's cartoon version
2. Here is a multipart kids cartoon version
3. Oh, i didn't mean like that....
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QuackingTroll
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Feb 24 2015, 12:31pm
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Right, but that's not really the same.
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That's like someone saying "I'd love a TV show about a cancer sufferer who is forced into the drugs industry to support his family" and instead of Breaking Bad you offer them a video of YouTube blogger describing what a horrible month he's had. 
That Hobbit animation is NOT what OP asked for. They wanted a TV budget series created by professionals, not two fans attempting to animate. I'm on AN and BB's side here. I think a cartoon could be great (admittedly it could also suck, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the possibility).
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balbo biggins
Rohan
Feb 24 2015, 12:44pm
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It seems to me.
If I suggested that the Fifty Shades film would be better as a musical we can only have the vaguest of discussions about it, compared to the reality of actually seeing a musical version.
Without the cast, director, script, music, production values and a thousand other real world aspects, I just don't think it gets us very far.
Just so in the example above:
1. TH would be good as a multipart kid's cartoon version
2. Here is a multipart kids cartoon version
3. Oh, i didn't mean like that....
so you want us to stop discussing it because theres a really lame unfinished webisode online?
the lotr movies wouldnt have got very far if this is your opinion
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 24 2015, 12:48pm
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I think we are probably saying the same thing, in different ways.
A fan animation could be good. A TV budget series could be good. A play could be good. A radio series could be good. A Youtube blog could be good.
Or each could be terrible, or could be ok. Without the specific "that" it's all complete surmise.
Else, if we are happy to simply assume "great" for the thousands of areas which make up a real product in any of these formats, then we are really saying "Wouldn't a really great version in format X be really great?" Well, yes, but I think that is very circular.
PS no suggestion on my part that others shouldn't discuss whatever they like. I'm just explaining my own view on the matter.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 24 2015, 12:53pm
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No, I don't want you not to discuss it!
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You can discuss whatever you fancy. Do you want me to stop discussing it?
And not sure what you mean about LOTR?
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 24 2015, 2:16pm
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If only Hayao Miyazaki would come out of retirement to direct a new animated movie of The Hobbit. I'm not sure that his son Goro is ready for such a challenge. His From Up on Poppy Hill was a great little film, but Tales from Earthsea left a bit to be desired.
A studio like Madhouse or Sunrise would have a very differnt vibe, but I would love to see what Yoko Kanno could do for the score.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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burrahobbit
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Feb 24 2015, 4:51pm
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It was very nicely animated. Largely conventional style.
I was trying to think of something that breaks away from cell shading. Films like the Snowman or recently The Tale of the Princess Kaguya. Neither of these are quite right for The Hobbit, but I like how they experimented with new techniques and I wonder if something similar could be done for The Hobbit.
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burrahobbit
Rohan
Feb 24 2015, 5:00pm
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Brave is a good comparison- CGI with a natural look, lots of landscapes and a mythical feel. Wasn't Disney's best in terms of the story but excellent animation.
How to train your dragon and Lilo and Stitch are fun films. They do go for a much more 'cartoony' look if you know what I mean, and I'd prefer something with a bit more realism.
I would have though another live action Hobbit would be less likely, but I'm just guessing and really don't know.
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burrahobbit
Rohan
Feb 24 2015, 5:14pm
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So many classic films, especially Spirited Away. But they do tend to have their studio style, and adapt most films in this style. I'd prefer someone to look at The Hobbit story and decide on the style that would best tell the story.
I've though of another cool mix of 2D and 3D animation that could provide some inspiration. It's the Three Brothers story from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Again it's not exactly what The Hobbit needs, but it shows how innovative it's possible to be with mixing media and effects for very striking and expressive organic visuals-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR939M48BG4
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dormouse
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Feb 24 2015, 8:39pm
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The Three Brothers story was a very clever animation....
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... it reminded me of the old silhouette films made by Lotte Reiniger - like this
Silhouette animation can be very delicate - I'd rather like to see a more fairy-tale version of The Hobbit done that way.
I was also intrigued by your mention of Alan Lee style animation in an earlier post. That I really would love to see but his work is so subtle that I doubt if it would be possible. It was his involvement that really drew me to the LotR films in the first place.
There was a BBC2 programme last November which used some very sensitive animations to accompany readings of First World War poems: that was an interesting style as well: there's a little trailer of the animation here
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burrahobbit
Rohan
Feb 24 2015, 10:24pm
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Both those links are really interesting thanks, especially the Lotte Reiniger film. A real animation craftsman.
I really liked the Three Brothers because it used CGI subtly to produce a very classic effect.
I'm also a huge Alan Lee fan. His style would be very difficult to animate, but I'm sure some of the qualities of his work could be interpreted in terms of that flowing organic style. It's interesting that some more organic looking CGI effects have been appearing in live action fantasy films, like that sooty inky black magic effect that features for the evil wizards in Harry Potter. I wonder if some related technique could help produce a watercolour-like animation.
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