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Syndra
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Feb 23 2015, 7:53am
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Peter Jackson vs J R R Tolkien
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Bilbo I could not agree more, I also dislike the way that people call New Zealand Middle earth. I think people should remember Middle Earth is an area called Sarehole, an area near Birmingham.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 24 2015, 1:08am
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Ah the mountains of Sarehole....
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The great waterfall of Moseley Bog, the vast forests of Yardley Wood stretching as far as the eye can see, the sweeping grassland plains away to the North beyond the A34. Once visited people would know the truth.....
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dormouse
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Feb 24 2015, 9:41am
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Interesting and worth remembering as Tolkien's connection to Sarehole is, I think you'd be hard put to find much of Middle Earth there!
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balbo biggins
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Feb 24 2015, 12:31pm
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when your a kid things seem much bigger and more wild! i know youre a film fan but please lets not take tolkiens childhood away from him, you wern't there,its an important part of the story and its what sowed the seed.
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dormouse
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Feb 24 2015, 2:05pm
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Oh come on - taking Tolkien's childhood away???....
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Melodrama aside, it isn't even possible. And for what it's worth, I'm older than Peter Jackson and was a Tolkien fan devouring books about him as well as by him decades before I'd even heard of PJ and his films. As a kid I used to wish I was brave enough to write to Tolkien, but I never was. Take a deep breath: I'm a Tolkien fan who finds infinite joy in Peter Jackson's films because I love the books. OK? I'm a Tolkien fan who finds infinite joy in Peter Jackson's films because I love the books. When Tolkien was a child Sarehole and the countryside around it was far more wild than it is today. And he loved it and of course it did help to shape his imagination. But it isn't the only influence. It isn't Middle Earth - though the Sarehole he knew still flourishes in quiet corners of the Shire. Sarehole didn't give him mountains though, or Wilderland, or Gondor, or Dale, or Rivendell. You won't find Lothlorien at Sarehole, or Menegroth or Gondolin - or the Grey Havens. It's not the only place that lays claim to be Middle Earth: really they're just ingredients in the soup - the real magic happened when he brought them together. You don't own Tolkien, bb, and you're not the only person here who respects what he achieved
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joec_34
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Feb 24 2015, 2:57pm
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That has to be sarcasm...I hope.//
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"Happy painting and God bless, my friend." - Bob Ross
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balbo biggins
Rohan
Feb 24 2015, 3:44pm
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i dont claim to own tolkien what a ridiculous statement! youre the one who is dismissing his early inspirations!
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Feb 24 2015, 4:20pm
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From where do we have the idea that Sarhole is Middle Earth, which is apparently being dismissed? Tolkien described it as an inspiration for Hobbiton, but not (as far as logic or his other quotes) as inspiration for Middle Earth as a whole - obviously, I would have thought.
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Bombadil
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Feb 24 2015, 5:30pm
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his visit there was a Major influence TOO! Bom imagines JRRT's visit was all done by train.... Bom also knows PJ read the LOTR on a TRAIN from Wellington to Auckland, TOO SSOoo there is some SOME symmetry there. It could be that riding along looking out Windows at the Landscapes rushing by, that is Truly Inspirational since it is like Reading a Book about people going about their business, Farming, or going to Funerals... IT's also like a Movie running past your NOSE Pressed up against your Window. Same Inspiration! jus' Different media, in a Different Time Frame, separated by about 40+ years.
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Brethil
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Feb 24 2015, 6:07pm
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Well, there were many inspirations for Middle-earth
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and as his mental map that he refers to places Hobbiton in the Oxford region, I wonder if his adult experiences also strongly influenced that development. Its a complex tracery of places and experiences. And why is being both a book fan and a film fan such a bad thing? I don't get the disdain. Should the books lie dust-covered on the shelf, and we all avert our eyes? They aren't sacred or cursed texts, they were written to be shared (granted, with the author's own trepidation) and I'm glad the films brought them to the larger world. It always makes me very happy to hear that film has brought people to read the books. I know many people in person and online who have had this experience. And those books can change lives, for the better. So I see it as worthwhile. Anyone who doesn't like the films has this neat option: don't watch them. Read the books instead. I feel lucky to enjoy both. And its quite impossible to take away anyone's childhood unless you have a time machine.
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dreamflower
Lorien
Feb 24 2015, 8:03pm
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Peter Jackson is still around, and so are most of those who worked with him. Let them receive all the acclaim they can. They worked hard for it. I am quite sure that if JRRT were still among us, there would be those who would want to so honor him. He is not, though he receives plenty of post-humous honor. But JRR Tolkien was a modest man, who from all accounts, and his own statements, did not particularly enjoy the perks of fame. He was in fact baffled by it, and by the phenomena known as "fandom". I suspect he would have hated glittery Hollywood parties and would have had something snarky to say if someone asked him "who are you wearing?"
Some people call it fanfiction. I call it story-internal literary criticism.
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rakshi
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Feb 24 2015, 9:28pm
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Thank you for saying what I've been thinking and feeling for 15 years.
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shadowdog
Rohan
Feb 25 2015, 12:55am
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I am also older than Peter Jackson and read and reread and enjoyed Tolkien for 40 years before I heard of Jackson. I enjoyed his movies; but the books will always be number 1 in my heart.
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Eruonen
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Feb 25 2015, 4:00am
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That had to be a tongue in cheek comment....if not....wow.
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