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balbo biggins
Rohan


Feb 20 2015, 9:06pm

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Do you sometimes feel JRR tolkien doesnt quite get the credit he deserves?

while PJ is being lauded over in hollywood, being given huge crowdfunded parties in his honour, knighted etc is important to remember that jrr tolkien actually wrote the story.

There has not been a huge party thrown in honour of tolkien from film fans, although the society does good work, it feels like the the film world has taken most of the credit for the stories. whilst people make billions in his name, i find the commercialisation of the books a little bitter sweet.


EomundDaughter
Lorien

Feb 20 2015, 9:42pm

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Maybe to honor an author [In reply to] Can't Post

you invest in purchasing his books....they say after the films the book purchases boomed so new fans wanted to read Tolkiens works....good work PJ!


dormouse
Half-elven


Feb 20 2015, 11:16pm

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No... Tolkien is regularly listed among the best authors.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...of the 20th century, and Lord of the Rings always rates high on the list of best books. The position occupied by Tolkien and his writing is unique - no other fantasy can touch it and I doubt that any ever will, unless time throws up another writer willing to pour his life into the creation of a whole mythology. And even if that happens, Tolkien will always be the original.

And when the films are praised, I don't see any sign of people forgetting that Tolkien wrote the stories. His name is mentioned whenever the films are - and being such an unusual name, it stands out. If he were alive, I'm sure he'd be invited.

Don't begrudge Peter Jackson the credit he gets for the films. He's poured a lot of himself into them - often to the point of exhaustion - and in the process has created something very special which has meaning for a great many people. And some people have discovered the books because of them.

In time there will be other film adaptations, other directors. There can only be one author.


Silverlode
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Feb 21 2015, 2:43am

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There's no "vs." here, to my mind. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ is lauded in Hollywood for doing what they do in Hollywood. Tolkien is lauded in circles where they honor writers. Film fans hold events to honor the films. The Tolkien Society holds events to honor Tolkien, and many in the fandom (including here at TORN) observe the annual toast in honor of his birthday. The books haven't been commercialized; only the covers - they have exactly the same content as always. The mainstream popularity of the movies has increased book sales exponentially.

The books and the Tolkien Society will continue on long after the movie hoopla has ended, as they were around long before. And maybe someday someone else will make some films based on Tolkien's books, and people will celebrate those too. Multiple celebrated adaptations haven't hurt William Shakespeare or Jane Austen or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's reputations any. In fact, there are probably some brilliant authors you have only heard of because someone made a movie based on their works.

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Tol Eressea


Feb 21 2015, 4:04am

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Dormouse I just have to say... [In reply to] Can't Post

You are a very wise little mouse.

I read your posts and think how nice it is to see someone who enjoys things able to articulate so well, without rancor or snideness or arrogance. Truth be told, I love reading your posts.

Thank you

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Bracegirdle
Valinor


Feb 21 2015, 4:09am

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cats16
Half-elven


Feb 21 2015, 8:00am

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dormouse
Half-elven


Feb 21 2015, 8:10am

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EomundDaughter
Lorien

Feb 21 2015, 3:01pm

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do remember when the films [In reply to] Can't Post

first came out that so many had not read Tolkien....then they got into the books and even Tolkien bio....
PJ is so celebrated as we realize how difficult it was to put the books on film...


Avandel
Half-elven


Feb 21 2015, 7:55pm

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Totally agree! [In reply to] Can't Post

I still think Dormouse is an elf. Probably Elrond.WinkWinkWink


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Feb 21 2015, 8:07pm

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Tolkien has gotten more honour for his work thanks to Jackson's films. [In reply to] Can't Post

The same thing could be said about any classic book ADAPTED to film. Gone With The Wind; Pride and Prejudice; and most recently, Harry Potter. Anything that's ever become popular has been impacted by some sort of exploitation/marketing/commercialism that overshadows the author to some degree.

BUT... when you consider how many people have been brought to Tolkien's works Because of Jackson and found the joy of reading; or inspired to write, draw, sculpt, or create at every level.... I think it's a worthwhile result. Jackson's films are great and have done Tolkien's world proud; but nothing will ever match Professor Tolkien's written word. Beauty that goes straight to the heart.



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Rohan

Feb 22 2015, 2:52am

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I think Tolkien gets enough recognition, even now [In reply to] Can't Post

And I honestly can only think of a few authors that have been as consistently popular as Tolkien has. He had written what are arguably the most popular books of all time, and that was BEFORE the movies. And what's more, PJ and Co have always seemed reverential and respectful of ol' JRR, which I think is quite admirable.

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EomundDaughter
Lorien

Feb 22 2015, 1:14pm

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Tolkiens family receives [In reply to] Can't Post

stipends and royalties from the book sales and movies and I believe Tolkiens home and gravesite gets tour visitors....the PJ movies are just iceing on the cake...


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 22 2015, 3:03pm

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There's a book? [In reply to] Can't Post

Who is this Tolkeen bloke? Did he write that ridiculous novelization of the Hobbit films, condensing them all into one little book, and eliminating the most important characters?
Sheesh!
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BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 22 2015, 3:17pm

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Hehehe! [In reply to] Can't Post

Reminds me of this. Laugh



Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 22 2015, 4:19pm

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Thank YOU! BF..... [In reply to] Can't Post

THAT is EXACTLY WHY bomby
NEVER READ more than ONE
Page that *woman's* books...

Saw, the First Movie....&
Never saw any of the REST

SURE, bomby was WORKING like a DOG
{Often 70 hours a WEEK}
from 2000 to 2013 as a UNION Stagehand,

Never-the-Less.....Never will patronize
the "Richest person the British Isles..."
publications, Theme parks, Buy her toys, etc...
what-so-EVER.

Crazy

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dormouse
Half-elven


Feb 22 2015, 4:20pm

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 22 2015, 4:52pm

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You should revisit Harry Potter [In reply to] Can't Post

The books are really quite wonderful, and quite an accomplishment in their own right, though not rivaling Tolkien.

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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 22 2015, 4:55pm

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agreed. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 22 2015, 5:26pm

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Just to clarify... [In reply to] Can't Post

This wasn't meant as critique of J.K. Rowling from my behalf. Sorry, Bomby, but we don't see eye to eye there. Tongue



Kirly
Lorien


Feb 22 2015, 7:44pm

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OMG I remember that! [In reply to] Can't Post

I must admit that I laughed but now don't rem if that was sarcasm or a very ignorant person. Either way, still funny

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Kirly
Lorien


Feb 22 2015, 7:48pm

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I have to agree [In reply to] Can't Post

The HP movies are quite entertaining. The books are better.

There is one the JKR did which I marvel at...the story grows as the characters age. So, book 1 is appropriate for an 11 year old, book 2 for a 12 year old, and so on. Maybe it was the first time I'd ever noticed that but I found it very interesting.

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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 22 2015, 8:02pm

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yeah... I'm pretty sure that poster was probably playing a particular troll-role with that [In reply to] Can't Post

Some people really are clueless about Tolkien in terms of 'coming before' but most posts like that are either trying to be funny or using a particular troll tactic to get people worked up.

I've seen the same thing with D&D but Rowling plays better to the crowds. :-)

We can laugh about it though. When I enrolled in school for that graphic design degree I spoke about elsewhere, I told the admissions rep that I would have to miss class the weekend of XXX because I was going to a Tolkien conference.

"Tolkien..." she pondered... "isn't that the person who wrote Harry Potter?"

That was cluelessness!


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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Feb 23 2015, 2:33am

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As a long-time HP fan... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I can confirm that I have encountered a fan or too on Harry Potter forums who expressed the same opinion sincerely.

In their defense, they tended to be quite young. Wink And very surprised to learn the publication dates of Tolkien's novels, once I shared the information with them.



Kirly
Lorien


Feb 23 2015, 2:55am

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very fair of you [In reply to] Can't Post

we all remember being young and surprised by things that happened long before we were born. We all live and learn.

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