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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 9:04pm
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How did the M-e films impact your enjoyment of JRRT Text versions?
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Hobbit and/or LOTR; by all means, detail if they impact your enjoyment of Sil, UT or other M-e works as well.
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Dame Ioreth
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Feb 14 2015, 9:35pm
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and not succeeding very well, to reading LOTR and The Hobbit when I was younger. I just couldn't get interested. My family tradition books growing up were very different so I was never exposed to "fantasy" books. It took me getting older to be able to read them and enjoy them. The movies filled in some of the details that my imagination hadn't gotten to yet. They made the books that much richer and made rereading them much more fun!
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BlackFox
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Feb 14 2015, 9:59pm
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The films brought me to the books
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More precisely, AUJ. I just had to find out how the story was going to end. Little did I know what I was getting myself into. 
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Bracegirdle
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Feb 14 2015, 10:42pm
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“No change”. . .
1. *This movie is based on the writings of JRR Tolkien*
2. *This movie is loosely based on the writings of JRR Tolkien*
3. *This movie is based on an idea by JRR Tolkien*
I’m torn between 2 and 3. . . 
Oh, now I’ve done gone and given away my LOVE for THE TEXT!
Well, it’s Valentines Day.. 
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Kim
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Feb 14 2015, 10:43pm
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I tend to see the story in the movies as separate from the text, so can enjoy each for what they are. At the same time, especially as I'm re-reading FOTR right now, I'm finding I can connect to it more when I think of the version of events in the movies. For example, having Bofur's tune in my head of The Man in the Moon makes reading it much more fun. And I do intend to read more of the books - I had only read TH and LOTR once before seeing the films, and the films prompted me to go back and re-read those, and consider tackling the Sil next.
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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 10:46pm
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Yes, BF. Welcome to the habit (hobbit?) that is Middle-earth. //
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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 10:48pm
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and I missed a category I suppose...should have added 'Film highlights superiority of text to me.' Because that's a valid option too.
I am feeling between option 1 for LOTR, 2-3 for TH as you describe them!
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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 10:51pm
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and how actually hearing them sung reverberates when I read now. 
Another point that Film made me enjoy Text even more: the whole unexpectedness of Bilbo's Arkenstone plan plays out beautifully on screen. Its so novel, and that scene really WORKS, right out of the book. Made me tip my hat to JRRT, and say, well conceived, sir.
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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 10:52pm
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Well, Tolkien says he didn't write for children...
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so there, you were right on time. Like a Wizard.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 15 2015, 2:28am
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I said "no change", but it's not entirely true.
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I had pretty solid mental images after reading LotR almost yearly for 30 years before seeing the first movie. But the movies did rescue Boromir for me. I never thought much of him before.
And the last time I read the books, I had to fight to keep my dear, perfect, black-haired Faramir from being usurped by a pretender.
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Annael
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Feb 15 2015, 2:53am
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or perhaps Movies proved that it's not possible to make a film that fully captures the text
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Brethil
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Feb 15 2015, 3:36am
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Your option is a bit more detailed
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and very much to JRRT's thoughts, I should think.
And since the RR just covered Tom and Goldberry, I am kinda glad they left that out. That may be completely impossible to really express. A part I can definitely say is better read than seen or heard.
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Brethil
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Feb 15 2015, 3:45am
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They rescued Boromir from Bakshi for me
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because I saw it before I read LOTR, and read LOTR with that picture in mind. (Sorry all, just not a big Bakshi fan).
I must admit, though not a Bean-ophile, that moment when Boromir charges to rescue the Hobbits...I rewind it and watch it over and over. He's just such a beautiful model of the heroic, like Norse-god-heroic, right there. And he did so many little things, everyday noble things, along the way. Like comforting Gimli after Moria. Humanizing and redeeming. That has affected how I read him, nowadays.
I do enjoy a lot of film-Faramir (large changes notwithstanding) except for the Gollum-interrogation scene. I FF that one. I think that's just right out of character.
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Konrad S
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Feb 15 2015, 5:07am
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This was hard to understand,But i think i understand it now.
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It was also hard to chose but i take, Film brought me to reading Text bechause i saw all the films before i read the book, But with lotr was isnt so easy to read it when i was 5.
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zarabia
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Feb 15 2015, 5:09am
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Mostly no change, but with a dash of enhanced
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I read the books first, but in anticipation of the films. I read them knowing and expecting that changes would be made. I had seen the preview so I had a feel for the general look of the film, but nothing was locked in. I was able to imagine how things looked for myself. In some cases my original vision is what I picture when rereading the books, but sometimes I see the film. Sometimes seeing the film version is an intrusion, but often it just helps me focus on the words, which are often quite beautiful, rather than trying to conjure up a vision of Lothlorien.
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BlackFox
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Feb 15 2015, 9:51am
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For a while, I expected it to pass (as my excitement about such things usually does). By now, I've realized that that's not the case here, or, as Frodo would say, that there is no going back. Embracing the fact that I was beyond cure, I decided to join TORn, which has only made my condition worse, but also a lot more fun. 
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 15 2015, 2:29pm
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The EE did redeem film-Faramir for me to some extent.
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But I've always had such a clear picture in my mind of book-Faramir, and it gets overlaid by film-Faramir now when I don't want it to, probably because they're so visually different. I had a little of the same problem with Frodo, but not as much.
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DanielLB
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Feb 15 2015, 3:00pm
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I'm going to give an awkward answer ...
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I think age has had the biggest impact on my enjoyment of Tolkien's Middle-earth. The story I read at 10 years old isn't the same one I read now. My knowledge and understanding is completely different to how it was. As it will also be in another 25 years time.
And mingled in with growing up, is the impact of the movies *and* this forum. I don't think I could discern the impact of the movies from within the impact of age. It iss always being enhanced, whether I like it (movies/forum) or not (growing up).
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Brethil
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Feb 16 2015, 4:44pm
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I think its a great thing when the films inspire reading of the books. Both can be enjoyed but its such an internal, imaginative journey with the books.
(And yes, 5 is a *little* young for LOTR!  )
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Brethil
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Feb 16 2015, 4:46pm
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I have that feeling for the Shire too
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Sometimes seeing the film version is an intrusion, but often it just helps me focus on the words, which are often quite beautiful, rather than trying to conjure up a vision of Lothlorien.
Now the vision as filmed is always there, because it filmed so perfectly.
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The Grey Elf
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Feb 16 2015, 4:50pm
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Wow, this was a really hard one to answer, Brethil
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I'd say more that the movies enhanced my reading of Middle earth in Tolkien's text but at the same time, the text sometimes detracted from my enjoyment of Middle earth in Jackson's films. I am unable to keep each universe completely separate in my head, though I think it would be ideal if I could.
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Brethil
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Feb 16 2015, 5:04pm
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I have such a fondness for Faramir, and his name
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This is quite OT, and not sure if you ever read anything about my son's 'name change' (I may have posted it once) but when he watched LOTR at nine years old, he just adored Faramir over everyone. I told him, that was my chosen middle name for him before he was born but alas, I was roundly shot down in the idea. So he decided to adopt it anyway, at about eleven years old...so his 'middle names' are now John Faramir.
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Brethil
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Feb 16 2015, 5:06pm
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"You are not the same Hobbit that you were!"
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It has that way of changing as you change. I think because JRRT hit the mark with 'elemental truths'. They emerge in the eye of the beholder.
I get you. Completely.
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Brethil
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Feb 16 2015, 5:09pm
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Is it that in Film, parts are missing? Or just that the text tells it better?
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I'd say more that the movies enhanced my reading of Middle earth in Tolkien's text but at the same time, the text sometimes detracted from my enjoyment of Middle earth in Jackson's films. I am unable to keep each universe completely separate in my head, though I think it would be ideal if I could.
And I think one of the reasons I *do* like Film so much is that to me, they are very separate. Makes it much easier.
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