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Do you think Richard Armitage should have been Aragorn?
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balbo biggins
Rohan


Feb 14 2015, 1:13am

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very interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

I find it fascinating how quickly loyaltys are changed, not long ago viggo was considered perfect , an untouchable casting, now some new guy comes along and suddenly viggo is being replaced in the role that got us here.

i dont get this place, RA is nowhere in the same league as Viggo, the breadth of work this man has done is fascinating, a true auteur, working with interesting directors independant projects and foreign language. even if you took away lotr it wouldnt matter, that was almost an anomoly in his career. he is a true artist. when RA makes something with real value, give me a call.


Magpie
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Feb 14 2015, 1:29am

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Perhaps you don't get this place [In reply to] Can't Post

because there's a wider range of thought in the world out there than your own personal opinions. And most of us work on that premise and find a way to accept differences in opinions.

just saying.

I don't have your number but watch:

North and South
MI5/Spooks
Macbeth in ShakespeaRe-Told
and yes, even Vicar of Dibley because well done humor is of real value.

There's a few people here who can speak to his performance on stage in The Crucible (and have done so on Off Topic) but I haven't seen it.

If you have, and dismissed them, then Chacun à son goût. Not dismissing either of those men, I get to enjoy two good actors. I feel rich. :-)


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I find it fascinating how quickly loyaltys are changed, not long ago viggo was considered perfect , an untouchable casting, now some new guy comes along and suddenly viggo is being replaced in the role that got us here.


That's all straw man stuff.


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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 1:40am

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I would add RA was an exceptional part [In reply to] Can't Post

of an exceptional cast in last year's Pinter on Proust, which I had the privilege of seeing with Dame Ioreth. I wish he would do another live performance in NY soon, because it would be something really worthwhile, I am sure.


I am with you in feeling rich; Viggo is also an exceptional Renaissance Man of many art forms. I am happy that the same franchise that I love so much showcased their talents.Angelic


(BTW I think RA would make a wonderful Feanor.)








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balbo biggins
Rohan


Feb 14 2015, 1:58am

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i do [In reply to] Can't Post

its not just a personal opinion, its from the on the breadth and obvious depth of the work! the work you listed by RA (seen all the tv work) is mainly in no way of any comparable merit, vicar of dibley, spooks ? cmon.

I dont dislike RA or think he is a bad actor but the evidence is clear.

I also think RA appeals mainly to women, but viggo appeals to both.


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Feb 14 2015, 2:18am

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Aha! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I also think RA appeals mainly to women, but viggo appeals to both.

So that's why I like Richard Armitage. And here I was thinking he's a very good actor, but really I only like him 'cause I'm a lady.


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Tol Eressea


Feb 14 2015, 3:11am

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What other possible explanation is there [In reply to] Can't Post

except femine hormones?
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I also think RA appeals mainly to women, but viggo appeals to both.

So that's why I like Richard Armitage. And here I was thinking he's a very good actor, but really I only like him 'cause I'm a lady.




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Feb 14 2015, 3:24am

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Yes, I think he would have made a great Aragorn if time was not a consideration [In reply to] Can't Post

Even though I think VM played the role very well. Remember all the talk about how VM inhabits a role, becomes a character? It seems that RA does a similar thing. Recall that he stayed in the Thorin character. I'd never seen VM except for that bit part he had in The Witness. And I'm with those who don't particularly care for VMs voice. It's just too quiet. In LOTR, he practicality whispered even when I didn't think it was appropriate. Just not my personal preference.

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Valinor


Feb 14 2015, 3:44am

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So *that's* why... [In reply to] Can't Post

I would sign a petition to have Richard overdub Viggo's lines in LotR. ;)

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Magpie
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Feb 14 2015, 3:57am

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I don't think I have any hormones left [In reply to] Can't Post

... and I think they took my patience for certain things with them.

Anyone got a link to that survey of which actor appeals to which demographic? I can't seem to find it.


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Tol Eressea


Feb 14 2015, 4:00am

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No, absolutely not.// [In reply to] Can't Post

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"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 14 2015, 10:56am

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as of now he could have been [In reply to] Can't Post

too young when it was filmed though. To me he fits the physical description of book Aragorn better than Viggo. Best Aragorn would have been one of the apparent original picks, Daniel Day Lewis. Tall, dark and lean, just like in the book. And his face has a kingly profile.

I think Viggo portrayed Aragorns humility and nobility well for the most part, considering what he had to work with.


dormouse
Half-elven


Feb 14 2015, 11:29am

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He'd make a fantastic Aragorn now.... [In reply to] Can't Post

And that's not decrying Viggo Mortensen in any way - he made the role his own. But both men are actors and extremely good ones. Richard Armitage would make a different Aragorn but an equally compelling one - now. When LotR was made he would have been far too young.


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Rohan


Feb 14 2015, 11:38am

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Nah [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not a fan of Viggo, but I think he's good as Aragorn. As others says I think Richard would have been too young at the time possibly.


Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2015, 11:55am

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Thanks very much for letting me know about this [In reply to] Can't Post

I will try to get around to reading it when I have time, given the amount of reading I have to do anyway!Smile


balbo biggins
Rohan


Feb 14 2015, 12:48pm

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appeal [In reply to] Can't Post

why is it a bad thing to say that RA and i suppose also orlando bloom appeal to female audience, thats not a critiscism, thats just a fact. but its an interesting observation, viggo has a broader appeal thats for sure


Elanor of Rohan
Lorien


Feb 14 2015, 2:30pm

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In 1999 Richard Armitage [In reply to] Can't Post

was a complete unknown.
He made an uncredited cameo as a Naboo fighter pilot in The Phantom Menace. He had done nothing yet. And of course he looked very different from now.

Daniel Day Lewis is an excellent actor, and he would have made a wonderful Aragorn.
In theory.
He would have never gone to New Zealand for such a long time and to work with Peter Jackson, who probably had no appeal whatsoever to him.

Viggo needed a challenge and was willing to challenge himself on such a mammoth project.

Viggo was the right man at the right time. One of the strong points of PJ's films is casting.


Magpie
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Feb 14 2015, 2:38pm

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its not a fact the unless you can back it up with some data [In reply to] Can't Post

Otherwise, its an opinion. But you know that and I gave up arguing points like that ages ago.


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Feb 14 2015, 2:43pm

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RA would actually be my first choice to play Eol if the Sil were being made today [In reply to] Can't Post

He's such a good, versatile actor that I think he would make a fine Aragorn, but I think he would make a really thrilling Eol. A bit of typecasting, perhaps, but it's just so easy to imagine him in that role, and he's an actor who could give Eol all the complexity and inner turmoil that is implied in the story.

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Feb 14 2015, 3:35pm

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ooooo! *ponders* Fascinating thought! [In reply to] Can't Post

Lemmie work on that!

Not bad!




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Brethil
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Feb 14 2015, 5:17pm

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Oh dear. Is that why Ladies can't be film critics? // [In reply to] Can't Post


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What other possible explanation is there except femine hormones?
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I also think RA appeals mainly to women, but viggo appeals to both.

So that's why I like Richard Armitage. And here I was thinking he's a very good actor, but really I only like him 'cause I'm a lady.










dormouse
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Feb 14 2015, 5:58pm

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Mmm.... the little ladies can't be relied on to think clearly.... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I am left wondering why my brother and my nephew were so pleased that Richard Armitage was cast as Thorin.... Wink


DanielLB
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Feb 14 2015, 6:04pm

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You're far too busy for that. [In reply to] Can't Post

You look after the kids, Brethil, while us men discuss movies and stuff. Unsure


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Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 14 2015, 6:19pm

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There we have some good, solid Viking sensibilities. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 








Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 14 2015, 6:20pm

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An unfathomable oddity, Dormouse. // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Tol Eressea


Feb 14 2015, 7:14pm

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The Crucible [In reply to] Can't Post

From all accounts (critics and folks I know who know theatre) his John Proctor was spellbinding.

I've seen him on stage in a reading of Pinter on Proust and Even with the bare-bones production values, I thought his Swann was amazing. He covered a number of parts with ease and put as much into the smallest part and the most inconsequential line as he did Swann. I'm asuming Pinter would at least meet this subjective "art" bar?

While TV may not be artistic enough for some, his Lucas North was very good. I watched him construct and then deconstruct that character and was blown away by his ability to portray the range required.

I thought his John Thornton not only did justice to the book, but also to the soul of the character. Again, TV so maybe not "artistic" enough.

Sparkhouse - another great part in a wonderful adaptation. He disappeared into that part and brought to it an vulnerability that made me cry for him. But yes, TV... so maybe that doesn't meet the grade either.

The Impressionists - Claude Monet. He brought Monet to life in a fresh way. I've read some of Monet's writings and the soul of the artist that I heard in my head was portrayed by Armitage. Whoops, not art house just another TV movie.

VIggo has done some fantastic work... and has had some real less than stellar stuff (Walk on the Moon, G.I.Jane, Texas Chainsaw Massacre #42 or whatever it was?) . He's stayed pretty much in movies and also been offered more of the art project work because of his own work in independent publishing. He is very much a renaissance man. I loved his Aragorn except for a few of the speeches (as someone else said) that sounded a bit squeaky. (I too wanted to hear a baritone voice for Aragorn.) He had the vagabond vibe that was perfect for what I saw as the Strider side of Aragorn. His King Aragorn was less than what I saw in my head. The transition was incomplete, but then we only saw the very first days of his reign.

Richard I think would play Aragorn in a different way making the comparison rather hard to make. I don't have a doubt that he would be able to deliver a stunning performance, but it would not be Viggo's Aragorn, the scruffy hide in the shadows would be king. It's only a guess, but I think he might include some of the elf influence in Aragorn's life, possibly more of the inner struggle. Both actors have in their arsenal a haunted look that is essential to the character.

Which would do it better? Can't choose but I would love to be able to see both so I could try!

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(This post was edited by entmaiden on Feb 16 2015, 3:41pm)

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