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Which Major Orc In The Films Was Your Favorite?
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Poll: Which Major Orc In The Films Was Your Favorite?
The Great Goblin
Bolg
Azog
Lurtz
Gothmog
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KingTurgon
Rohan


Feb 5 2015, 2:30am

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Which Major Orc In The Films Was Your Favorite? Can't Post

Which of the Orcs who had more significant roles in the films was your favorite?


Meneldor
Valinor


Feb 5 2015, 3:18am

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Lurtz [In reply to] Can't Post

It was the knife-licking that made him stand out.


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Feb 5 2015, 4:37am

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Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

Everything about him was great. I liked his overall look, scary, but with those blue eyes and twisted almost-good-looks he also hinted at Elf origins for the Orcs (a theory I find interesting). I liked his backstory, and that he seemed to have his own agenda along with Sauron's. I liked the way he was shown to possess generalship, planning out the way to get his army in place secretly, using the signals, and so on. Finally, his CGI was great, I liked the improvement of Orcs having changing facial expressions.


Elutherian
Rohan


Feb 5 2015, 11:50am

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Gothmog [In reply to] Can't Post

Loved that character.


Annael
Immortal


Feb 5 2015, 3:53pm

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Lurtz was the only possibility for me [In reply to] Can't Post

because I hate that Azog & Bolg were ever in the movies - just a huge distraction, and it made no sense to me that there were uber-Orcs back then, 60 years before Saruman invented them.

In the books Grishnakh always stood out for me.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Feb 5 2015, 3:59pm

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But, Bolg was in the book [In reply to] Can't Post


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because I hate that Azog & Bolg were ever in the movies - just a huge distraction, and it made no sense to me that there were uber-Orcs back then, 60 years before Saruman invented them.

In the books Grishnakh always stood out for me.



And even Tolkien made him fairly impressive in the little time he got. What is wrong with the idea that Bolg (and his father Azog) represented a strain of Orc that the Uruk-hai might have been developed from?


BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 5 2015, 5:06pm

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Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

He's got both the brawn and the brains.


KingTurgon
Rohan


Feb 5 2015, 6:53pm

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Question [In reply to] Can't Post

So you're mad that Bolg (who was in the book) and Azog (who is canon) were in the movies, but you are OK with inventing Lurtz from scratch? Not trying to provoke, just kinda confused.


(This post was edited by KingTurgon on Feb 5 2015, 6:53pm)


KingTurgon
Rohan


Feb 5 2015, 6:56pm

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Bolg [In reply to] Can't Post

The design was awesome, he was a fantastic fighter, and as seen by the ambush on Legolas in DOS, a good strategist. Pretty much exactly how he was in the book. I may have disliked the choice for who killed him (the book purist part of me) and him being kinda randomly subbed in for Azog in DOS (it felt awkward to me), but the character itself was great.


Lindarielwen
Bree


Feb 5 2015, 8:28pm

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Lurtz! [In reply to] Can't Post

Lurtz has always been my favourite, if favourite you can call an Orc...MadPirateUnimpressedEvil


Konrad S
Lorien

Feb 6 2015, 8:26am

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I am the only than vote on .... [In reply to] Can't Post

The fat Golbing king ....Ps I wonder who was king in the Golbing town after him?


BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 6 2015, 10:38am

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His son, of course [In reply to] Can't Post

The Goblin Scribe.


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In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Chronicle, the Goblin Scribe is described as the Great Goblin's son from some marriage he'd prefer to forget, so he gave him an administrative job away from the throne.



Konrad S
Lorien

Feb 6 2015, 10:39am

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Is that freaking golbin his son? [In reply to] Can't Post

Shocked ?


BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 6 2015, 10:44am

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Yup [In reply to] Can't Post

Can't you see the resemblance? Laugh


Konrad S
Lorien

Feb 6 2015, 10:46am

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And how golbing female looks like? [In reply to] Can't Post

And......



This is a bad thing with Middle Earth, for example, Thorin Who is he, mother? And should not kili and fili's father have a name.!


BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 6 2015, 10:49am

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I'm not sure I want to venture there [In reply to] Can't Post

Some things are better left be.


Konrad S
Lorien

Feb 6 2015, 10:51am

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resemblance? [In reply to] Can't Post

resemblance?

it is a malformed Gobling / gorilla and a malformed golbing / hamster, Can you see the similarities between a knain and a choice?


(This post was edited by Konrad S on Feb 6 2015, 10:53am)


Aunt Dora Baggins
Immortal


Feb 6 2015, 1:36pm

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I always thought [In reply to] Can't Post

the goblin scribe went to work at Gringotts after the king was killed ;-)


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Feb 6 2015, 2:57pm

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The New Great Goblin [In reply to] Can't Post


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The fat Golbing king ....Ps I wonder who was king in the Golbing town after him?



The One Ring Roleplaying Game (playing off of Tolkien's legendarium) posits a possible answer to your question in the sourcebook, The Heart of the Wild:

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The New Great Goblin is actually the third Great Goblin in recent years -- the second Great Goblin died at the Battle of Five Armies, torn apart by Beorn's claws...The New Great Goblin (or, as he styles himself, the Greatest Goblin, with his predecessor being the Greater Goblin) is fat, lazy and cowardly, so he's always on the look-out for evil schemes that will bring him power and wealth without having to actually do any work or lead an army into battle.



The book also gives Bolg a potential successor:

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Gorgol, son of Bolg
Bolg, son of Azog, ruled the Orcs of the Mountains from his capital of Gundabad for many years, until Beorn slew him at the Battle of Five Armies. Now many warlords contend for Bolg's throne, and there is civil war and treachery beneath the ground. One likely heir is Bolg's eldest son, Gorgol. He fought in the battle, but fled when Beorn charged. Gorgol and his followers were driven east by the Eagles, and forced to retreat into the Withered Heath. It took him six years to return home to Gundabad, and by then he had few remaining followers and could not force his claim to his father's throne.



Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 6 2015, 3:05pm

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This was very tough! [In reply to] Can't Post

As I just adore (in a repulsed way, thank you!) the Great Goblin. But Lurtz always makes me watch him closely, the way he moves is so...graceful, yet lethal. He's very compelling. So I have to go with him.


I agree on the knife-licking: really characterizes him.


BlackFox
Half-elven


Feb 6 2015, 3:51pm

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*snort* // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Annael
Immortal


Feb 6 2015, 4:01pm

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yes he was invented [In reply to] Can't Post

but we knew Saruman had made Uruk-hai and he did send them after the Fellowship, they captured Merry and killed Boromir - none of that was made up. Show me in "The Hobbit" where uber-Orcs pursue the dwarves on their journey because of a personal vendetta and two of them bring down Thorin, Fili, and Kili? If Bolg had ONLY shown up at the Battle, and Beorn killed him, that would have been okay. (But he wouldn't be my choice even so.)


(This post was edited by Annael on Feb 6 2015, 4:03pm)


KingTurgon
Rohan


Feb 6 2015, 4:17pm

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You are entitled to your opinion [In reply to] Can't Post

just wanted to understand what you were saying better. Smile


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Feb 6 2015, 4:43pm

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One part was made-up [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
but we knew Saruman had made Uruk-hai and he did send them after the Fellowship, they captured Merry and killed Boromir - none of that was made up. Show me in "The Hobbit" where uber-Orcs pursue the dwarves on their journey because of a personal vendetta and two of them bring down Thorin, Fili, and Kili? If Bolg had ONLY shown up at the Battle, and Beorn killed him, that would have been okay. (But he wouldn't be my choice even so.)



Saruman used Uruk-hai in Tolkien's legenarium, but the Half-orcs that he bred were something else. Sauron developed the Uruk-hai.

Jackson combined the two into a single Orc-breed.


Annael
Immortal


Feb 7 2015, 5:08pm

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perhaps [In reply to] Can't Post

but they weren't in The Hobbit. And that's the root of my objection.

I just found in general that whenever PJ added something to the storyline it added nothing of value and in fact often detracted from it. The entire "being chased by Uber-Orcs" bit to me took the attention away from the actual quest and the story of Bilbo's transformation. It became all about fights instead of inner heroism. Basically, PJ Michael Bay'd the movies.

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