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Bishop
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Jan 29 2015, 3:43pm
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What happens to the Goblins anyways?
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Any theories? In AUJ there are literally hundreds of them right behind the company after they crash land on the bridge, and then they just sort of disappear. Did they give up pursuit?
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Merovech
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Jan 29 2015, 4:04pm
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They can't stand the sunlight, so they give up.
This of course is retconned in BoFA.
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 29 2015, 4:47pm
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Because I thought BOTFA established that sunlight was not a problem.
Secondly, they are clearly on the brink of nightfall. So the Goblins could pick up the pursuit pretty quickly. I guess you could say they were running for a couple hours before Azog showed up, but it really doesn't feel this way in the film.
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Elessar
Valinor
Jan 29 2015, 4:50pm
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the bats in the BOTFA did the same thing as in the book, which is covered the sun enough for any of the baddies.
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 29 2015, 4:53pm
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Yes, that could be the intention
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But it clearly doesn't happen on screen in any tangible way.
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Elessar
Valinor
Jan 29 2015, 4:55pm
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I just went with what I knew about the events.
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Brandybuckled
Lorien
Jan 29 2015, 5:03pm
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NAArP: Not An Ardent purist since Arda was dented
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Jan 29 2015, 5:04pm
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... Azog's arrival spooked them off?
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 29 2015, 5:05pm
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I think if Jackson had gone for a more stormy look
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I think the entirety of the actual day of the battle was pretty challenging to capture, so Jackson went with one type of lighting and feel for the entire event. This was a sort of perma-dawn look to everything, from the very beginning of the day right through to the end. I often wonder what it might have been like if the battle was fought under a more dark and stormy canopy; this wouldn't logisticallyhave to be bats alone, but also just a darker sky. If you've ever seen a winter storm with lightning it can be pretty epic.
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 29 2015, 5:08pm
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I don't think that's as plausible..
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..given that they are clearly in cahoots with Azog. Isn't he there because the Goblin sent him word?
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BlackFox
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Jan 29 2015, 5:16pm
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... there's room for only so many at a banquet and it's the stronger who get the best seats.
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 29 2015, 5:30pm
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"I know your king was just killed and all, but I got this"
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-Azog
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Elessar
Valinor
Jan 29 2015, 5:30pm
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he could have gone with a darker tone and maybe he should have. Like I said I just use the bats as being the reason since that's what they were partially there for within the book.
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Jan 29 2015, 6:37pm
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Mystery solved.
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Darkstone
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Jan 29 2015, 10:17pm
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They're an anarcho-syndicalist commune taking turns to act as an executive-Goblin-King-for-the-week but all the decisions of that King have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of external affairs (such as, say, pursuing a band of Dwarves outside the caverns), but after all the goblin deaths they were having quite a bit of a problem getting a quorum together.
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Jan 30 2015, 2:30am
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the REST of them were
DYING to EAT him..
The Best Meal they could have EVER Wished for.
Dwarves & Hobbits are jus' Snacks for them.
No one EVER..wantzzzz
to Talk...about... about
CANNIBALs. The most ghastly crime
against nature... there iszz..
YET? JRRT wrote about it.
ALOT
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Darkstone
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Jan 30 2015, 4:17am
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People just have different tastes. /
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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Bishop
Gondor
Jan 30 2015, 5:03am
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So to speak.
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moreorless
Gondor
Jan 30 2015, 1:10pm
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I think thats something that much easier to write than to film
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he could have gone with a darker tone and maybe he should have. Like I said I just use the bats as being the reason since that's what they were partially there for within the book.
The idea of the sky being darkened by bats makes for evocative reading but in terms of actually showing it on film your talking bats in the millions or even billions. Granted todays CGI could probably handle it but if you go that route it would likely become the dominant feature of the entire battle.
Plus of course in Jacksons version of the story the Orcs at the BOT5A aren't the same as the Goblins we see in the Misty Mountains. Those Goblins look most similar to the Moria ones we see in FOTR where its mentioned they will only come out of Moria at nightfall.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jan 30 2015, 3:04pm
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Perhaps we could have seen a bank of dark, heavy clouds rolling in above the bats. The implication would be that Sauron or his servents were responsible. His arm is long.
"The Great Scaly One protects us from alien invaders and ourselves with his fiery atomic love. It can be a tough love - the “folly of man” and all that - but Godzilla is a fair god.
"Godzilla is totally accepting of all people and faiths. For it is written that liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim or Jew, straight or gay, all people sound pretty much the identical as they are crushed beneath his mighty feet." - Tony Isabella, The First Church of Godzilla (Reform)
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Elessar
Valinor
Jan 30 2015, 3:16pm
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It would have taken over and honestly would have been something else for people to pick at the film for.
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Jan 30 2015, 5:58pm
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on the real reasons for the vanishment of Goblinkind...
also thundersnow would have been cool
and more bats
Na 'Aear, na 'Aear! Mýl 'lain nallol, I sûl ribiel a i falf 'loss reviol...
To the sea, to the sea, the white gulls are crying, the wind is blowing and the white foam is flying...
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Salmacis81
Tol Eressea
Jan 30 2015, 11:45pm
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I certainly would not have picked at that...
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It would have shown that Jackson was concerned about keeping continuity, which would have made me respect him as a storyteller more. As it stands, he should never have even bothered putting in lines about how Orcs/Goblins don't like to go out in the sun, because he completely disregards it on numerous occasions (in both LotR and TH). If anything, having Goblins out in daylight, after already stating that they won't go out in the sun in AUJ, is something to pick at the films for. Thrain's magically-reappearing eye is another example. To me, it's a weakness of Jackson's as a storyteller that he is so quick to throw continuity out the window just because he might think something looks really cool.
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Exactly!
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