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Lio
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Jan 25 2015, 12:29am
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In that last shot of the Dwarves when they are saying goodbye to Bilbo, does anyone else...
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...find themselves instinctively looking for Fili and Kili in the crowd and then remembering they're gone?
It hits me suddenly, and in an odd way I find it sadder than seeing their actual deaths. 
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Ilmatar
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Jan 25 2015, 12:31am
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I do, every time. And Thorin... 
Despite remembering what just happened, my eyes look for them still. "Funny" in a way, I guess... They have just always been part of the group, and when suddenly they are not there, it's just a weird feeling.
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Brethil
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Jan 25 2015, 12:38am
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I look for Balin, smiling goodbye, and it just breaks my heart.
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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Jan 25 2015, 12:47am
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...find themselves instinctively looking for Fili and Kili in the crowd and then remembering they're gone?
It hits me suddenly, and in an odd way I find it sadder than seeing their actual deaths.
Grief hurts that way in real life too...
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marillaraina
Rohan
Jan 25 2015, 12:50am
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...find themselves instinctively looking for Fili and Kili in the crowd and then remembering they're gone? It hits me suddenly, and in an odd way I find it sadder than seeing their actual deaths.
Yes it just feel sos wrong for them to not be there, with the rest of the Company. It's so...final. They are really gone.
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Starglass
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Jan 25 2015, 2:06am
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The group just seems so... empty... and wrong without Fili and Kili and of course Thorin, their leader. It's one of the saddest moments in the movie for me. I feel as if I've lost some friends as well.
Also, during that scene has anybody else noticed Bofur's face? He especially seems to by crying and then when Bilbo invites them to tea and says "there's no need to knock" he smiles through his tears in a way that just breaks me down.
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Arveldis
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Jan 25 2015, 2:23am
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I thought I was alone in thinking this! Yes, I looked for them, along with Thorin, too, and then felt like I got hit with a sack of bricks all over again. Every time I see a picture of that scene, I can't help but think "but three are missing." And then I get walloped again when Bilbo says Thorin was his friend, and when I see the glory box.
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Avandel
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Jan 25 2015, 3:07am
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It's awful and hollow and feels all wrong.
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Annatar598
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Jan 25 2015, 3:26am
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It's such a classically Disney moment full of
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Love and kindness and peace with the camera moving away from the humbled and smiling dwarves. And Balin! Balin smiling! Ken Stott can pull off the most heart wrenching expressions. I found this moment more emotional than Thorin's death IMO. I don't know why but it hits me everytime that it truly is the end.
It sucks that Bilbo has to leave the way he does, in haste. The EE will probably fix this but the darker characterization of Bilbo leaving without saying goodbye to the dwarves is befuddling. I guess it's effective perhaps in the movie considering Bilbo is still shell shocked after Thorin's death but it hurts nonetheless that he would leave hastily. Ah well. Such is life in so many cases and it's hardly worth complaining.
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dormouse
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Jan 25 2015, 10:22am
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For me the moment that really hit....
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... was later, when Bilbo was back in ransacked Bag End. I had a vivid flashback of Fili and Kili's arrival in AUJ, and Kili cleaning his boots on mother's glory box, then I thought - oh......
As someone else said, that's exactly how grief hits in real life. I may be imagining this, but wasn't the glory box one of the things that way saw being carried away from the auction?
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Kelly of Water's Edge
Rohan
Jan 25 2015, 12:53pm
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and it's even worse when you also know that Balin, Gloin and Ori are also going to be killed in Moria in the future (not to mention that Dain is going to be killed on his front of the War of the Rings). Come to think of it, Thorin's party and allies actually made out worse than the Fellowship and allies in spite of the story generally being lighter, didn't they?
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CathrineB
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Jan 25 2015, 2:27pm
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It's very painful to see that some are clearly missing from the Company we have come to love so much. Feels like someone dropped a sack of stones on my chest each time.
Especially when comparing it to the shot earlier in the movie where the whole company stands inside Erebor looking at Thorin.
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lionoferebor
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Jan 25 2015, 4:45pm
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...find themselves instinctively looking for Fili and Kili in the crowd and then remembering they're gone? It hits me suddenly, and in an odd way I find it sadder than seeing their actual deaths.
For me it was one of the saddest moments in the entire film.
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DisDwarfWoman
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Jan 25 2015, 7:02pm
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One of many times for this movie
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Feels like someone dropped a sack of stones on my chest each time.
I've been comparing it to being punched in the chest by Dwalin, but that works too.
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MyWeeLadGimli
Lorien
Jan 25 2015, 9:58pm
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Gloin appears alive and well in FOTR. But yes, Thorin and Company fared much worse than the Fellowship overall.
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marillaraina
Rohan
Jan 26 2015, 1:41am
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and it's even worse when you also know that Balin, Gloin and Ori are also going to be killed in Moria in the future (not to mention that Dain is going to be killed on his front of the War of the Rings). Come to think of it, Thorin's party and allies actually made out worse than the Fellowship and allies in spite of the story generally being lighter, didn't they?
But I think it's important to consider that Thorin and Company's time is taking place during rising darkness and things will only get worse before they get better. After Sauron is defeated the members of fellowship live in a time of relative peace.
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Gwytha
Rohan
Jan 26 2015, 3:58am
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He did the same thing to Frodo.
Growth after all is not so much a matter of change as of ripening, and what alters most is the degree of clarity with which we see one another. -Edith Pargeter
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Jan 26 2015, 5:00am
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about Bofur.......... he's one of the most relatable....
and yes, after three films of counting Dwarves and automatically ticking off all thirteen...
Na 'Aear, na 'Aear! Mýl 'lain nallol, I sûl ribiel a i falf 'loss reviol...
To the sea, to the sea, the white gulls are crying, the wind is blowing and the white foam is flying...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 26 2015, 3:28pm
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Gloin? Gloin isn't killed in Moria.
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and it's even worse when you also know that Balin, Gloin and Ori are also going to be killed in Moria in the future (not to mention that Dain is going to be killed on his front of the War of the Rings). Come to think of it, Thorin's party and allies actually made out worse than the Fellowship and allies in spite of the story generally being lighter, didn't they?
You've confused Gloin with Ori. Gloin, Gimli's father, lives until FO 15.
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"Godzilla is totally accepting of all people and faiths. For it is written that liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim or Jew, straight or gay, all people sound pretty much the identical as they are crushed beneath his mighty feet." - Tony Isabella, The First Church of Godzilla (Reform)
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Jan 26 2015, 7:59pm
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It was Oin that was killed by the Watcher in the Water trying to escape by the Western Door.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jan 26 2015, 8:06pm
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It was Oin that was killed by the Watcher in the Water trying to escape by the Western Door.
Already covered by a previous post. Ori died in the last defense of Moria. He was the keeper of the chronicle of the colony.
"The Great Scaly One protects us from alien invaders and ourselves with his fiery atomic love. It can be a tough love - the “folly of man” and all that - but Godzilla is a fair god.
"Godzilla is totally accepting of all people and faiths. For it is written that liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim or Jew, straight or gay, all people sound pretty much the identical as they are crushed beneath his mighty feet." - Tony Isabella, The First Church of Godzilla (Reform)
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Jan 26 2015, 8:09pm
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I was replying to your post...
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which stated you believed the poster had confused Gloin with Ori. But the poster listed Ori as well as Gloin. They obviously meant to write Oin and Ori. 
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jan 26 2015, 9:46pm
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You're right! I should have written Oin, not Ori. Of course the main point was that Gloin never went to Moria with Balin and did not die there. In fact, if he had then he could never have attended the Council of Elrond.
"The Great Scaly One protects us from alien invaders and ourselves with his fiery atomic love. It can be a tough love - the “folly of man” and all that - but Godzilla is a fair god.
"Godzilla is totally accepting of all people and faiths. For it is written that liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim or Jew, straight or gay, all people sound pretty much the identical as they are crushed beneath his mighty feet." - Tony Isabella, The First Church of Godzilla (Reform)
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