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He is a wizard, you know!
The Shire
Jan 22 2015, 10:19pm
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Has anyone else...
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....tried to make sense of the fact that when you watch all six movies together in a row, the beginnings of An Unexpected Journey and The Fellowship of the Ring won't match up? Bilbo begins writing his book in both movies, and he writes different things in each movie. What's up with that?
"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit."
"Do you wish me a good morning, or do you mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not, or that you feel good this morning, or that it is a morning to be good on?"
"Thorin and Company at your service!"
"Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks, and the setting sun with the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the keyhole."
"A box without hinges, key, or lid / Yet golden treasure inside is hid."
"I come from under the hill, and under hills and over hills my path has led. And through the air. I am he that walks unseen."
"My armor is like tenfold shields, my teeth are like swords, my claws spears, the shock from my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!"
"If more of us valued your ways - food and cheer above hoarded gold - it would be a merrier world."
"You're a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I'm very fond of you, but you're only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all."
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Jan 23 2015, 4:32am
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the Marvel universe...
continuity? what continuity????????
"Judge me by my size, would you?" Max the Hobbit Husky.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Jan 23 2015, 4:34am
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...made in different times. Visually different. Tonally different. And so on...
As such, these differences in continuity don't bother me that much. But for those who wish to view all six films as a unified saga, I can understand the frustration.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Darkstone
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Jan 23 2015, 5:14am
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Just like Bilbo, he had many false starts writing the books.
(I wonder if the different versions were later collected in a volume called History of the Red Book, aka HoRB?)
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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He is a wizard, you know!
The Shire
Jan 23 2015, 6:34am
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....I just wanted to say that I absolutely LOVE your signature!
"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit."
"Do you wish me a good morning, or do you mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not, or that you feel good this morning, or that it is a morning to be good on?"
"Thorin and Company at your service!"
"Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks, and the setting sun with the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the keyhole."
"A box without hinges, key, or lid / Yet golden treasure inside is hid."
"I come from under the hill, and under hills and over hills my path has led. And through the air. I am he that walks unseen."
"My armor is like tenfold shields, my teeth are like swords, my claws spears, the shock from my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!"
"If more of us valued your ways - food and cheer above hoarded gold - it would be a merrier world."
"You're a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I'm very fond of you, but you're only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all."
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DanielLB
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Jan 23 2015, 7:37am
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I don't think there is an inconsistency.
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Could this be the sequence of the Red Book:
A mini-introduction (sort of like an abstract ?) about Dwarves, dragons and Erebor (ŕ la the actual prologue in the The Hobbit book, but about Bilbo's adventure instead) [as seen in AUJ]; followed by "But it is not the start of my story..." [as seen in AUJ:EE]; Bilbo then writes the "proper" title "There and Back Again..." [as seen in FOTR:EE]; and lastly begins the story with the "Concerning Hobbits" chapter [as seen in FOTR:EE] (ŕ la the book prologue and "I suppose hobbits need some description nowadays ...")
They have deliberately made Old Bilbo scatterbrained and disorganized. It's no surprise Bilbo wanders off in the first pages of his book!
(Welcome to TORn!  )
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 23 2015, 8:14am
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And there are a few shots where you can see crumpled pieces of paper on the floor. Bilbo's lengthy introduction ended up being an unintentional nod to Tolkien's writing style.
(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Jan 23 2015, 8:14am)
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Riven Delve
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Jan 23 2015, 12:55pm
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I've started out many a story, only to turn the page and write a new beginning just a few minutes later. And I'm not even eleventy-one yet!
“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”
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Brethil
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Jan 23 2015, 1:43pm
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Nice point about the crumpled papers
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I like to think of Bilbo working it all out.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 23 2015, 4:09pm
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Tolkien, himself, made similar errors
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....tried to make sense of the fact that when you watch all six movies together in a row, the beginnings of An Unexpected Journey and The Fellowship of the Ring won't match up?
Kili was originally described as older than Fili. There are serious descrepencies in travel times in The Hobbit versus The Lord of the Rings. Rivendell seems like two completely different places at times.
"The Great Scaly One protects us from alien invaders and ourselves with his fiery atomic love. It can be a tough love - the “folly of man” and all that - but Godzilla is a fair god.
"Godzilla is totally accepting of all people and faiths. For it is written that liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim or Jew, straight or gay, all people sound pretty much the identical as they are crushed beneath his mighty feet." - Tony Isabella, The First Church of Godzilla (Reform)
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