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"Forgotten Silver" remembered: Empire article on PJ's famous spoof.

Moahunter
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Jan 15 2015, 12:53am

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"Forgotten Silver" remembered: Empire article on PJ's famous spoof. Can't Post

http://www.empireonline.com/...son-forgotten-silver


Ataahua
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Jan 15 2015, 1:59am

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I remember that furore. [In reply to] Can't Post

News media ran stories that people were furious about being duped. I'm gullible enough that I would have fallen for it but I actually didn't watch it on TV when it screened!

That is a fascinating part of the interview with the actor who played Colin McKenzie:

"I remember watching it in Napier, which is four hours north of Wellington, with my parents and a good friend of ours. And she was buying it, even though I was sitting there next to her! It's extraordinary; I couldn't quite figure it out."


Us humans really do lose our logic when we badly want to believe, don't we?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Moahunter
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Jan 15 2015, 2:28am

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I have a copy of the article published in the NZ Listener previewing the film...... [In reply to] Can't Post

and some of the viewers letters published afterwards.
The Editor said (Of the writers of the 24 letters the Listener has received..... 16 express disapproval, five approve and three still believe.)


Ataahua
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Jan 15 2015, 2:31am

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Love it! [In reply to] Can't Post


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and three still believe.)


That is too precious for words. :)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Starling
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Jan 15 2015, 4:09am

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I wish I could say [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't fooled at the time, but...I was. And everyone I knew was fooled too. There were moments during the programme where I really thought it was getting too ridiculous, but then something serious and seemingly authentic would convince me it was true. Plus, I really, really wanted it to be true, so maybe that was a factor.
I never understood why some people got so angry about it when they found out they had been fooled - it was such a brilliant trick, I was full of admiration for the effort that went into such an elaborate and convincing hoax.

Still wish it was true...


Moahunter
Rohan


Jan 15 2015, 5:02am

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Found this fascinating piece about reactions etc. [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.waikato.ac.nz/fass/mock-doc/fs.shtml

Info. about availability
http://www.nzvideos.org/forgotten.html


dernwyn
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Jan 15 2015, 12:35pm

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Looks like it's getting hard to find! [In reply to] Can't Post

So glad I picked up my copy when I saw it in a "bargain display" about 5 years ago...Cool

It really is very, very well made. "Salome" is a hoot!


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Annael
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Jan 15 2015, 4:58pm

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I bought a VHS copy before LOTR even came out. [In reply to] Can't Post

Loved it. And was very reassured by his "lost city" in the jungle - that made me more confident that he could pull off Minas Tirith.

Ah, the days when no one had heard of Peter Jackson. Or Orlando Bloom, Billy Boyd, Dominic Monaghan, David Wenham, Miranda Otto, or Karl Urban. Bernard Hill & Viggo Mortensen were vaguely known, mostly as character actors.

And Richard Armitage wasn't even above the horizon yet.

Since evidence can be adduced and interpreted to corroborate a virtually limitless array of world views, the human challenge is to engage that world view or set of perspectives which brings forth the most valuable, life-enhancing consequences.

- Richard Tarnas, The Passion of the Western Mind

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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 15 2015, 5:20pm

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No one who knows even a little about film should have been fooled. [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw it at a film festival where the program described it as a documentary without giving away the joke, but it was clear within the first few minutes that Jackson & Co. were having fun. Too many of the references to real film history were incorrect. For instance, as I recall, their fictional movie pioneer Colin McKenzie is described as having made the first feature film, beating D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation, which was released in 1915. But film histories generally credit The Story of the Kelly Gang, a 1906 film from Australia, as the first feature. There were numerous other "mistakes", presumably deliberate, that would clue in anyone with even a cursory knowledge of cinema's origins. So that film professor referenced in the article should feel very ashamed.

But it was still a very good time! Having also mildly enjoyed the only other Jackson film I'd seen at the time, Brain Dead (titled Dead-Alive on the video I'd seen), I was warmly inclined when it was announced not too long after that he'd be directing The Lord of the Rings.

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Kerewyn
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Jan 17 2015, 11:32am

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I saw it at a film festival where the program described it as a documentary without giving away the joke, but it was clear within the first few minutes that Jackson & Co. were having fun.


There were visual hints, such as PJ walking ahead of the camera, 'leading us up the garden path'... (ETAL Oh I see this is mentioned in the Empire article, which I read after posting)

And at one stage he opens an old chest or container (where the old reels of film were apparently found) with a picture of a bull on the lid. (Oh and this was too! One of the main things I recalled during all the fuss on NZ media the following day.)

I watched it on its first TV showing and was taken in.. and was absolutely delighted to find out it was a hoax and a delightful trick. Smile



"Then the bells shall ring in gladness at the Mountain King's return... but all shall fail in sadness, and the lake will shine and burn."

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on Jan 17 2015, 11:39am)


Starling
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Jan 17 2015, 7:35pm

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Perhaps [In reply to] Can't Post

But the average New Zealander, watching it at home on TV, in the respectable Sunday night Masterpiece Theatre slot, was quite understandably taken in. And we couldn't then go to our computers and look up the 'real' Colin McKenzie, as you would now.

 
 

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