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Eleniel
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Jan 3 2015, 3:37pm
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Also, the grandson of Feanor, Celebrimbor...
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was a master smith who founded the Elven settlement of Ost-in-Edhil in Eregion during the Second Age and there was great friendship and trade between those Noldor and the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm, as signified by the inscription on the Gates of Moria.
The Fellowship pass the ruins in FotR...
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Konrad S
Lorien
Jan 3 2015, 3:57pm
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Yes Elves of Eregion could also work metals, but those were the Noldor and the Elves of The Mirkwood was not Noldor them could probably work metal but not great at all. So it took dwarfs to make beautiful objects.
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Eruonen
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Jan 3 2015, 6:27pm
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Agree, that is not correct, Elves are masters of most crafts, but occasionally
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the dwarves were just better, such as stonework and some metal work. After all, the dwarves came from Aule the Smith.
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BlackFox
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Jan 3 2015, 6:30pm
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'The elves' here are obviously meant to stand for the Wood-elves of Mirkwood only.
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Konrad S
Lorien
Jan 3 2015, 6:55pm
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Yes here we talk about the Woodelfs of Mirkwood and Dwarves of Erebor
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Eruonen
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Jan 3 2015, 6:55pm
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I think by the time of the 3rd age, with the influx of Nolder an Sindar the crafts
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would have been learned. Thranduil certainly had metal work as well as his soldiers. Yes, in the early ages, they were far more primitive, but centuries have passed, ages of cultural change.
"In the early Second Age, after the War of Wrath, Oropher of Doriath (father of Thranduil and grandfather of Legolas) along with few of the Sindar came to forest realm east of Misty Mountains. He became the King of the Silvan Elves and established the Wooldland Realm of Greenwood the Great (S Eryn Galen). The culture of Silvan folk were rude and rustic compared to the Beleriandic culture of the Sindar.[2] But soon the Sindar merged with the Silvan Elves and adopted their language, took names of Silvan form and style. This language was a dialect of Sindarin known as Silvan Elvish.[2] On the eastern side of the Misty Mountains, Amdír (father of Amroth), another Sinda leader came to the land known as Laurelindórenan (or Lórinand) and ruled over the Silvan elves as their King."
"In the early Third Age remnants of the Noldorin realms such as Lindon and Eregion sought new dwellings in more eastern lands and the Silvan Elves of Lórien experienced an influx of Noldor (and Sindar) who had survived the War of the Last Alliance and the fall of Eregion."[1]
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Silvan_Elves
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Eruonen
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Jan 3 2015, 7:01pm
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I think the problem is that in The Hobbit the world and history had not been
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as developed and linked to the earlier ages so it is potential consistency error.
They did not bother much with trade? The wine trade with Laketown was key.
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Konrad S
Lorien
Jan 3 2015, 7:04pm
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Ps one my thread The seven Dwarfsrings have i a new quest that need answear.
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BlackFox
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Jan 3 2015, 7:05pm
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... where they got the idea.
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Konrad S
Lorien
Jan 3 2015, 7:21pm
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I'd forgotten Thranduil is one of the people of Doriath or he father was ... It is reached in that I hate Thranduil and woodlandrelam and I hate Doriath and Thinghol them are the same snide bad extinguished Grrrrr
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Eruonen
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Jan 3 2015, 8:24pm
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Konrad, have you read The Children of Hurin?
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Konrad S
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Jan 4 2015, 6:51am
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Not yet  i have some books left i have read lotr 1,2 and 3 and i saw the films first when i was 5 years old and silmarillion and some of Unfinished Tales and some of The rings world or what it is on english and The Children of Hurin is in Unfinished Tales and i have see the 3 hobbit films but not read it
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Eruonen
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Jan 4 2015, 3:36pm
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The Children of Hurin is what I would suggest as a next read as it
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has been put together as a more cohesive story and you will read (besides Hurin's tale and children) of Thingol and Nargothrond and his alliance with the dwarves who aided him building caves and smithing weapons and armor, of Gondolin and its fall etc.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 6 2015, 1:33pm
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The name Lasgalen comes from Eryn Lasgalen (Sindarin; 'wood of green leaves'), the name given to Mirkwood after its cleansing following the War of the Ring. However, what is the significance of the name in the context of the films? Was Lasgalen the name of Thranduil's dead wife (and mother to Legolas)?
The name could have a double meaning. Las is Sindarin for 'leaf'. Galen means 'green'. However, gal by itself means 'to shine' so an alternate translation of Lasgalen could be 'leaf that shines'.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Silverlode
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Jan 7 2015, 2:28am
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that they're using Lasgalen as the name of Thranduil's royal house. After all, Legolas is referred to as Legolas Greenleaf in both books and movies.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 7 2015, 1:40pm
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that they're using Lasgalen as the name of Thranduil's royal house. After all, Legolas is referred to as Legolas Greenleaf in both books and movies.
That is a distinct possibility. A good question for Peter Jackson if anyone gets the chance to ask it.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Jan 7 2015, 9:35pm
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If Lasgalen transliterates to 'green leaf', I also wonder as to the connexion between that name and 'Legolas'.
The name Legolas consists of the words:
laeg, a very rare, archaic word for "green", normally replaced by calen/(galen).
golas, a collection of leaves, foliage (being a prefixed collective form of las "leaf")
So if Lasgalen is supposed to relate to Legolas' mother, maybe his name is supposed to be derived from hers? Reminding Thranduil of his wife?
Etymological information gleaned from Tolkien Gateway and The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien #121
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Rembrethil
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Jan 7 2015, 9:37pm
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But given the etymology of Legolas' name in Letter #121, I wonder if 'Lasgalen' (Which has a similar meaning) is supposed to relate to his mother, in someway...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 7 2015, 9:40pm
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Legolas as 'leaf from the green leaves'. Interesting notion. That could well be what Jackson & Co. were thinking.
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Grrrr 4
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