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legorun
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Jan 1 2015, 2:32am
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Question about the Witch King of Angmar
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I Don't know if this question has been asked Before
but what exactly happened to him after angmar fall .. How He Died ??
Did the other Nazgul Fight with Him Against Arnor and how they end up and Returned To Dol Guldur in BOFTA ??
and Sorry For My Bad English
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Ataahua
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Jan 1 2015, 3:28am
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And welcome to TORN, legorum.
There was a battle between the Witch-king's armies and those of the Dunedain but I've never been sure if the Witch-king was human at that time (and died during the battles) or if he was already a wraith. I hope someone else can step in here and clarify it!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Morthoron
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Jan 1 2015, 4:47am
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According to "The Tale of Years"...
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The Nazgul first appear in year 2251 of the Second Age (when Tar-Atanamir was king of Numenor). The WitchKing appears in Angmar in 1300 Third Age. So the WiKi had been around for over 2000 years as a Ringwraith by the time he got to Angmar.
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Ataahua
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Jan 1 2015, 8:03am
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The one story that I wish Tolkien had fleshed out is the Witch-king's - there's a magnificent tale there that hasn't been told.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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legorun
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Jan 1 2015, 9:08am
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The Nazgul first appear in year 2251 of the Second Age (when Tar-Atanamir was king of Numenor). The WitchKing appears in Angmar in 1300 Third Age. So the WiKi had been around for over 2000 years as a Ringwraith by the time he got to Angmar. I know That After the battle of Fornost The Witch King managed to Skip
But How do you Explain This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEobiBLKeTM
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Rembrethil
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Jan 1 2015, 4:54pm
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Angmar was a beta-test for Mordor's rise. A mini-Modor, if you will.
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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BlackFox
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Jan 1 2015, 5:24pm
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The High Fells only exist in the movie-verse
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We are never explained how exactly the Witch-king died in the movies. The little information we have is what we learn from Galadriel during the White Council meeting in AUJ: "When Angmar fell, men of the North took his body and all that he possessed and sealed it within the High Fells of Rhudaur. Deep within the rock they buried them, in a tomb so dark it would never come to light." In DOS it is revealed that the High Fells are also where the other Ringwraiths were buried. But, as Gandalf and Radagast discover, all the crypts are broken open from inside and empty. "The Ringwraiths have been summoned to Dol Guldur," says Gandalf, suggesting that it was Sauron's call that broke them free.
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Morthoron
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Jan 1 2015, 5:26pm
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How do I explain Jackson's film edit? Bad fan-fiction that has no bearing on what actually happened in Middle-earth. Read further about the WitchKing when he moved from Angmar (after destroying the Dunedain kingdoms of the North) to Minas Ithil in the south, which the WitchKing and the other Nazgul besieged and then occupied. This became Minas Morgul, and there the WitchKing began the slow, inexorable process of destroying Gondor as well.
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Morthoron
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Jan 1 2015, 5:48pm
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Angmar was a beta-test for Mordor's rise. A mini-Modor, if you will.
It is what you get when an immortal malice patiently divides and conquers his enemies. Sauron sent the WitchKing to Angmar to destroy the divided kingdoms of the Northern Dunedain. Once that was accomplished, the WitchKing was sent south to invest Minas Ithil (later to become Minas Morgul), and start the destruction of the Southern Dunedain in Gondor. With King Earnur captured by the WitchKing, the process of the slow erosion of Gondor began. For all intents and purposes, this patient, centuries-long method of Sauron grinding away at his enemies should have worked; unfortunately for Sauron, the One Ring was found and he abandoned the process that would have been successful had he not lost patience.
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Rembrethil
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Jan 1 2015, 6:31pm
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I'll admit, my knowledge of the late Second and Early Third Ages is severely lacking,  so I appreciate you breaking down the lore for me! 
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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legorun
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Jan 1 2015, 11:05pm
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How do I explain Jackson's film edit? Bad fan-fiction that has no bearing on what actually happened in Middle-earth. Read further about the WitchKing when he moved from Angmar (after destroying the Dunedain kingdoms of the North) to Minas Ithil in the south, which the WitchKing and the other Nazgul besieged and then occupied. This became Minas Morgul, and there the WitchKing began the slow, inexorable process of destroying Gondor as well.
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Gurtholfin
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Jan 2 2015, 6:36am
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but to be clear to any readers who are unaware, the quoted below that is from the movies is completely made up by PJ & co.
We are never explained how exactly the Witch-king died in the movies. The little information we have is what we learn from Galadriel during the White Council meeting in AUJ: "When Angmar fell, men of the North took his body and all that he possessed and sealed it within the High Fells of Rhudaur. Deep within the rock they buried them, in a tomb so dark it would never come to light." In DOS it is revealed that the High Fells are also where the other Ringwraiths were buried. But, as Gandalf and Radagast discover, all the crypts are broken open from inside and empty. "The Ringwraiths have been summoned to Dol Guldur," says Gandalf, suggesting that it was Sauron's call that broke them free.
It's fan fiction and doesn't follow canon.
Google "Battle of Fornost" and piecing together the sources that are there will give the original poster the story of the Witch King of Angmar.
The story of the North Kingdom and the later 3 divided kingdoms and their fall is one of my favorites.
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Gurtholfin
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Jan 2 2015, 7:17am
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Wiki actually has a pretty good entry on the Kingdom of Arnor that sums a lot of it up. Check that out too.
Long and short is that the Witch King doesn't die, he simply withdraws as his centuries old mission to destroy the North Kingdom(s) is complete.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 2 2015, 12:11pm
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Doesn't Jackson tie the Fall of Angmar into the Watchful Peace and move it to approximately 400 years before the Quest of Erebor? Whereas, Tolkien dates the Battle of Fornost to TA 1975, while the Watchful Peace was the period from 2063 to 2460 when Sauron was hidden in the East and the Ringwraiths remained quiet in Minas Morgal.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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