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Bilbo vs Frodo (Movie and Book)

Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien


Dec 29 2014, 7:12pm

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The Baggins Family smackdown! I think Bilbo Baggins, he did get a Goblin king, and fought a lot more then Frodo did in both the movie and the book.

"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."-from "The Last Goodbye"

"Why does it hurt so much?"
"Because it was real."
(PLEASE DON'T HURT ME)

"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above gold, the world would be a merrier place."-BotFA/The Hobbit

(This post was edited by Hobbity Hobbit on Dec 29 2014, 7:12pm)


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Dec 30 2014, 3:07am

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depends, but i lean toward Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

Are they fighting? Which one gets Sting and the mithril shirt (and I assume neither gets the Ring...)? Assume each one has both, just hypothetically?

In a fight, I go with Bilbo, especially the movie version. Bilbo doesn't back away from doing what's gotta be done, especially movie Bilbo, unlike movie Frodo, who tends to fumble Sting and cower in fright, more so than book Frodo. Movie Bilbo successfully defended himself against a goblin, and he bagged quite a few Orcs throughout the trilogy, using either Sting or rocks. Both movie and book Bilbo are a good rock-throwers, but especially the movie version, who actually uses his skill to good effect, in a pinch. Neither movie nor book Frodo ever show such skill. Nor does Frodo ever slay an Orc, does he?

Bilbo is resourceful and gets his buddies out of trouble more than once, while Frodo is the one who needs saving more often than not. Movie Frodo can be clever at times (what's Elvish for Friend?) but other times he makes decisions that result in losing his wizard (We will take the Mines!)

Book Frodo would have a better chance against Book Bilbo. This Frodo is tougher and braver, such as against Barrow Wights and the Moria troll, and even stands up defiantly to Nazgul more than once. Book Bilbo isn't quite as experienced with a blade as Orc-slaying Movie Bilbo. Probably an even match.

But in terms of who is braver, or more heroic, one might argue Frodo put more of himself on the line and for higher stakes, and knowingly went forth into greater danger than did Bilbo. Bilbo knew he might have to face not just a dragon but the chiefest and greatest calamity of his time, but Frodo's quest to Mordor, especially with the Ring, trumps even that. Then again, it is possible Bilbo, in his prime, might have been able to pull off the same feat with at least equal success. We'll never know.

One aspect in which Frodo has an edge over Bilbo is his empathy for others, in a way that ends up turning an enemy into an asset. Only with Frodo did Gollum nearly become good. Bilbo wouldn't have gotten as far. He is slower to sympathize with strangers.

So, it depends on what the contest is about.

Btw, OP, not sure what you mean where you say Bilbo did get a Goblin King. Great Goblin fell to Gandalf in the book and the movie.

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He was born of mortal frailty mixed with Elven fallen realm,
Comin’ home to a land he’d never been before.
Arvernian behind him, sailed the seas of Middle-earth,
You might say he didn’t know what lay in store.

When his wife came out to find him she'd been turned into a bird,
Upon her breast there shone a shining star,
So he took her to his bosom, and by morn her form returned,
And he shifted West to find the high Valar.

And in Valinor he went before the high,
In doing so, resigned himself to die.
Take up arms against the Shadow, asked he of the high,
of the Valar high. (Fight, fight the Shadow)
of the Valar high. (Fight, fight the Shadow)

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Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien


Dec 30 2014, 3:53pm

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He gets the second one [In reply to] Can't Post

The one in the Battle of the Five Armies, I believe there was a new one that they chose, and he fell on top of Bilbo, making him unconscious. I also agree with your points. And also I mean without any of their weapons or tools.

"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."-from "The Last Goodbye"

"Why does it hurt so much?"
"Because it was real."
(PLEASE DON'T HURT ME)

"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above gold, the world would be a merrier place."-BotFA/The Hobbit


BlackFox
Half-elven


Dec 30 2014, 4:58pm

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Bilbo is knocked unconscious by Bolg in the movie and by a falling stone in the book.



Darkstone
Immortal


Dec 30 2014, 6:46pm

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Bilbo gets Frodo on the ropes, then suddenly, out of nowhere, a frying pan takes out Bilbo from behind.

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The tremendous landscape of Middle-earth, the psychological and moral universe of The Lord of the Rings, is built up by repetition, semi-repetition, suggestion, foreshadowing, recollection, echo, and reversal. Through it the story goes forward at its steady, human gait. There, and back again.
-Ursula K. LeGuin, Rhythmic Patterning in The Lord of the Rings


Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien


Dec 31 2014, 3:21pm

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Am I getting something mixed up? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I am sorry, I'll go check the book.

"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."-from "The Last Goodbye"

"Why does it hurt so much?"
"Because it was real."
(PLEASE DON'T HURT ME)

"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above gold, the world would be a merrier place."-BotFA/The Hobbit


BlackFox
Half-elven


Dec 31 2014, 5:59pm

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I think you are confusing Bilbo with Pippin, who indeed managed to kill a troll at the Black Gate and was then knocked unconscious when the beast fell on him.



Bracegirdle
Valinor


Dec 31 2014, 6:13pm

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Frodo !!! No question about it !!! [In reply to] Can't Post

He was able to oust Lobelia Sackville-Baggins from Bag End, whereas Bilbo simply used the Ring to cower and hide.


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He [Frodo] escorted her firmly of the premises, after he had relieved her of several small (but rather valuable) articles that had somehow fallen inside her umbrella.

Anyone able to take on the SBs was surely the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities! WinkWink




Thorin II
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Jan 8 2015, 10:15pm

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If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world

 
 

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