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BalrogTrainer
Rivendell
Dec 24 2014, 12:31pm
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Three actors portraying the same character
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An interesting occurrence in this trilogy that I don't think anyone has touched on yet is how there are 3 different characters portrayed by 3 different actors:
1. Bilbo - Ian Holm reprises his LOTR role as a link into that trilogy; Martin Freeman plays the present-day Bilbo in this trilogy; and Oscar Strik plays Bilbo as a child in the prologue of the EE of AUJ.
2. Thráin - Though I don't entirely know for sure (if anyone wants to confirm or counter this, be my guest), I've surmised that Thomas Robins portrayed Thráin in the Erebor sequences in the prologue, Mike Mizrahi played him in the Battle of Azanulbizar sequences, and Antony Sher played him in the Dol Guldur sequences.
3. Bolg - Conan Stevens played him during the Battle of Azanulbizar sequence in AUJ (though, because he was never actually identified as being Bolg there, I like to pretend he wasn't  ), Lawrence Makoare played him via motion capture and CG in DOS, and John Tui also via motion capture and CG in BOFA. Anyone know why Makoare wasn't available to also play him in BOFA? 
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Dec 24 2014, 12:45pm
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Because we know they shot his stuff with Conan Stevens and John Rawls before bringing in Manu during Post-Production and motion-capturing everything.
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BalrogTrainer
Rivendell
Dec 24 2014, 12:51pm
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... since we know most (if not all) of the initial Azog performance in AUJ was 'painted over' with Manu Bennett's mo-cap performance.
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Dec 24 2014, 12:53pm
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I know, which is why I wondered if he counted.
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Dec 24 2014, 1:10pm
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Bilbo was the only one that was obvious to me.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor
Dec 24 2014, 1:27pm
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Sauron and Witch King of Angmar
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SAURON
Sala Baker (costume, FOTR, ROTK)
Alan Howard (voice, FOTR, TTT, ROTK)
Benedict Cumberbatch (voice, mo-cap, AUJ, DOS, BOTFA)
WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR
??? (costume, FOTR and perhaps TTT)
Lawrence Makoare (costume, ROTK)
Andy Serkis (voice, ROTK)
??? (Mo-cap or CGI, AUJ, BOTFA)
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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DjU
Lorien
Dec 24 2014, 1:35pm
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SAURON
Sala Baker (costume, FOTR, ROTK)
Alan Howard (voice, FOTR, TTT, ROTK)
Benedict Cumberbatch (voice, mo-cap, AUJ, DOS, BOTFA)
WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR
??? (costume, FOTR and perhaps TTT)
Lawrence Makoare (costume, ROTK)
Andy Serkis (voice, ROTK)
??? (Mo-cap or CGI, AUJ, BOTFA)
Witch-King & other Nazgul in FotR and TTT would have just been stuntees - although I believe Shane Rangi & Brent McIntyre are generally credited for the Witch-King in FotR.
Also if you count the man playing him as one of the actual Kings of Men in the Prologue you have another actor there too. :)
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor
Dec 24 2014, 3:34pm
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One actor playing multiple characters
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I'm not counting cameos of crew members like Peter Jackson and Co.
Only Hobbit trilogy:
LUKE EVANS
THE HOBBIT: Bard, Girion
BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH
THE HOBBIT: Smaug, Sauron/Necromancer
CONAN STEVENS
THE HOBBIT: Bolg, (Azog), Dol Guldur dungeon keeper
MARK HADLOW
THE HOBBIT: Dori, Bert
WILLIAM KIRCHER
THE HOBBIT: Bifur, Tom
PETER HAMBLETON
THE HOBBIT: Gloin, William
Only LOTR trilogy:
SALA BAKER
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Sauron, Mauhur, Lugdasch, Murgasch
JOHN RHYS DAVIES
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Gimli, Treebeard
Appearing in both trilogies:
LAWRENCE MAKOARE
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Lurtz, Gothmog, Witch-King
THE HOBBIT: Bolg
STEPHEN URE
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Grishnâkh, Gorbag
THE HOBBIT: Grinnah, Fimbul
BRET MCKENZIE
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Figwit
THE HOBBIT: Lindir
--> Officially not the same character
THOMAS ROBBINS
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Déagol
THE HOBBIT: Thrain
JED BROPHY
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Nazgûl, Rohan Rider, Rivendell Elf, Snaga, Sharku
THE HOBBIT: Nori
ANDY SERKIS
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Gollum/Sméagol, Witch-King
THE HOBBIT: Gollum/Sméagol
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Legomir
Rivendell
Dec 24 2014, 3:50pm
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Plus there was Brian Sergent, who played Ted Sandyman in FOTR and one of the siders in DOS!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 24 2014, 3:57pm
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...regarding Thrain - that is Antony Sher in the Moria flashbacks in DoS, no? He has different make-up, but in the close up shots with Thorin and when he's facing off against Azog, I'm sure that's him.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Legomir
Rivendell
Dec 24 2014, 4:15pm
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I don't have a source, but I think I heard Antony Sher was brought in during pick-ups to beef up Thrain for the second film (to give it a theme of fathers and sons?). Originally, I think, it was Thomas Robbins during Erebor and Azanulbizar and then Mizrahi at Dol Guldur, which I guess either had different dialogue or a lot less. Then Sher came in and filmed scenes from both time periods. Again, this could not be right, but I think it's what I heard.
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DjU
Lorien
Dec 24 2014, 4:35pm
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...regarding Thrain - that is Antony Sher in the Moria flashbacks in DoS, no? He has different make-up, but in the close up shots with Thorin and when he's facing off against Azog, I'm sure that's him.
Yes, Antony Sher played Thrain at Azanulbizar in DoS, however the brief glimpses in AUJ it would have been Robbins, Mizrahi or a Double - as it was filmed over a year before Sher.
Although, its never truly been confirmed which parts of Thrain were played by Robbins or Mizrahi - other than Robbins being credited as 'Young Thrain' so likely indicating he might be 'Erebor' Thrain with Mizrahi either being Azanulbizar Thrain or Original Dol Guldur Thrain (and merely being contractually credited for AUJ in the same way that John Rawls was despite not appearing and Conan Stevens for appearing for a split second.)
Infact according to what we know most of the Thrain stuff was filmed in three chunks each separated by a year!
Block 1 - 2011 - Dol Guldur - Original Thrain Dol Guldur footage when most of the other Dol Guldur Footage was filmed
Block 3 - 2012 - Erebor - Footage of Thrain from the Prologue, was presumably filmed in early 2012 when all the Erebor interiors were being filmed.
Pick-ups - 2013 - Antony Sher films as Thrain doing bits for Moria Flashback and revised Dol Guldur scenes
The only bit I never been entirely sure of is when the original Azanulbizar scenes were filmed - and which actor that would tie into.
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BalrogTrainer
Rivendell
Dec 25 2014, 1:44am
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... were what had me the most confused. Robins wasn't credited at all for AUJ, while Mizrahi wasn't credited at all for DOS. I don't recall seeing Thráin at all during Azanulbizar in AUJ. I wasn't aware that the shot of him speaking with Thorin during the battle (seen in the prologue of the EE of DOS) was also shot with Sher. So is it possible we never actually see Mizrahi as Thráin?
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