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greenbalrog
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Dec 23 2014, 12:27pm
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I miss Thorin and I feel very sad. What's going on?
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So, I watched BOFA in IMAX HFR 3D three days ago and I liked it very much. All the Hobbit movies have grown on me, especially DOS (the EEs really helped a lot).
I'll get straight to the point. Why do I feel that I miss Thorin like I never did from a character in a movie? This is just a movie. I also feel very sad (this third chapter really is a very sad and tragic one, in the good way) for the deaths of Fili and Kili. What's going on? Was it the IMAX HFR 3D experience? I never felt so sad after watching a movie before.
Does anyone feel the same way?
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BlackFox
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Dec 23 2014, 12:32pm
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I think it's because we've been so deeply invested in this story for such a long time.
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Glorfindela
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Dec 23 2014, 1:07pm
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I think I feel that way because the character of Thorin is so brilliantly acted, and I feel invested in him. Did you notice the way Richard Armitage can use his eyes to convey emotion?
Very, very sad film, and I hope the EE will bring us a bit of lightness (though no grossness, since I don't feel it belongs in the film, and no more slaughter).
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Guert
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Dec 23 2014, 1:16pm
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has a potential of being even more emotional, depending on the way it is portrayed.
Can't wait to see.
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Elarie
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Dec 23 2014, 1:23pm
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Thorin is one of the most memorable tragic heroes I've ever seen on film
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All of the actors in The Hobbit are incredibly good, but Thorin is the charismatic leader whose actions drive the plot, and I thought Richard Armitage was absolutely brilliant in portraying the magnetism, leadership, nobility and flaws of this character. Also, having three movies to work with instead of just one really allows the audience to get emotionally attached to the characters.
In terms of missing Thorin, though, and I don't mean this in a flippant way, we now have all three movies to be watched whenever we want. We can put AUJ in the DVD player anytime and be right back at the beginning and enjoy the quest all over again, which is what I will be doing. 
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greenbalrog
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Dec 23 2014, 2:26pm
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I also felt totally invested in Thorin's character. His body language, the eyes, yes. Amazing performance. And another incredible moment is when Bilbo can't speak for what he too feels by Thorin's death. In that moment I was feeling exactly like Bilbo and I knew exactly what he meant to say but could't: "he was my friend".
I also hope the BOFA EE will bring a bit more comfort to the viewer because the battle and its outcome was simply brutal. We need to come out of the Hobbit feeling a bit more light. As others have said, we need more closure.
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Ham_Sammy
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Dec 23 2014, 2:42pm
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I felt very sad. Much more sad than I ever have reading the story and that is many, many times. I think it's as others have said, movie Thorin was such a likeable character and we felt an affinity for him. Armitage was just great. Loved him in the role and he made a depth of character and such pathos. I was sorry to see him go even though we knew it was going to happen and it needed to storywise. Still, I felt an emptiness I did not feel with the other movies.
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CathrineB
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Dec 23 2014, 4:07pm
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... Been as invested in Thorin's story as much as with maybe Bilbo's, but it really did changed in BotfA. He was such an intense tragic character you really would find creepy, but you knew Thorin was in there somewhere. And then WOOOH he's back! He's won his home back. Then it slowly goes to h*** and it just hit you really hard.
When I saw it again the other day the girl next to me was really into the movie and I kinda felt like she represented how I felt (just less vocal) because Thorin was standing and watching the battlefield and for those who hasn't read the book you kind of think you can relax. Then he collapses and the girl just went "What..." 
Not so often that they kill the main character right? Not to mention I think the way they take down one, then the other than even a third dwarf just really hit home with people.
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Avandel
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Dec 23 2014, 5:14pm
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Except for the part about reading the Hobbit many, many times, which I confess I have not.
Tho the book Thorin was my favorite as well, who knew of the extraordinary interpretation a wonderful actor would bring to us. (Well, perhaps many in the UK might have known...)
And since this complex, tortured, magnificent Thorin for me ended up being my favorite of PJ's Middle Earth, this film would always be difficult for me. IMO one of the saddest sights is seeing the Company lined up to tell Bilbo goodbye without Thorin, Fili, and Kili.
For ME Thorin and Bilbo ended up being the "twin suns" of these movies, as Martin Freeman describes in a WETA book "yo-yoing to and from each other". At at the end of BOFA, there is only one. 
Knowing canon and gentle explanations from other TORn members (much appreciated!) re Norse beliefs, and what Tolkien drew on, helps, but I can't say I walk out a theater feeling good.
Tho I think the last minutes with Bilbo are beautifully done.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Kim
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Dec 23 2014, 5:54pm
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I've never cared about a character as much as Thorin, and I believe it has everything to do with Richard Armitage's amazing performance. He brought such depth to Thorin's story arc in ways I never imagined prior to seeing AUJ. After DOS, I started to dread seeing BOFA as I knew he would do such a fantastic job with the material. Kudos also to Peter, Fran and Philippa for crafting the character and storyline as they did. Thorin's death in the book was almost an afterthought, but in the movie, it overshadows all else for me. I do think BOFA is a very good movie, but am also having a hard time thinking about seeing it again. I think the IMAX HFR 3D makes it even more vivid since you feel like you're right there with the characters, which makes the tragedy even more vivid too.
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Miss-Merriweather
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Dec 23 2014, 6:02pm
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Killing one hero at the end of such a looong story - ?
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There are some who would not deem it wise.
Killing not only one but THREE in a row - ?!
Now that was really heartless..........
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greenbalrog
Bree
Dec 23 2014, 6:22pm
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I think the IMAX HFR 3D makes it even more vivid since you feel like you're right there with the characters, which makes the tragedy even more vivid too. I'm convinced of that too. And, I'm eager to see it in 2D non-HFR now to compare the experience with the IMAX HFR 3D one.
Peter (and co), I think you made it, technically, I mean. Along with a wonderful story, you managed to create a new cinematic experience, one that feels so real that it's almost frighting. And I thought the movies couldn't surprise me anymore.
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DisDwarfWoman
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Dec 23 2014, 6:27pm
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I love the HFR, even when not IMAX. Such a clear picture, very realistic. As a nice bonus, its the only type of 3D that doesn't give me a headache!
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lionoferebor
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Dec 23 2014, 6:52pm
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Yes, this one of the saddest moments.
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IMO one of the saddest sights is seeing the Company lined up to tell Bilbo goodbye without Thorin, Fili, and Kili.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Dec 23 2014, 7:17pm
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I think I feel that way because the character of Thorin is so brilliantly acted, and I feel invested in him. Did you notice the way Richard Armitage can use his eyes to convey emotion? Very, very sad film, and I hope the EE will bring us a bit of lightness (though no grossness, since I don't feel it belongs in the film, and no more slaughter).
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Dec 23 2014, 7:24pm
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There are some who would not deem it wise. Killing not only one but THREE in a row - ?! Now that was really heartless..........
Yes of course I miss Thorin , but killing off the young nephews always seemed so pointless to me - I really hated the book for that. I have mixed feelings about how this went down in the movie, particularly Fili's death, but I think I would have been unhappy no matter how they died. The thing is, there were deaths in the LoTR movies, but NONE of the lead characters died (well, except for Boromir, but that was still in the first movie, not as much emotional investment, although I did think his was a noble, tragic death). Just think how tragic RoTK would have been if Sam had died saving Frodo, or if Frodo had fallen with Gollum - oh, the FEELS! And we got hit with three of them in BOT5A. I was even apprehensive about seeing this, not since "Revenge of the Sith" have I ever dreaded seeing a movie. Fine acting from all involved: Richard, Aidan, Dean, Graham and Martin. Kudos and congrats on a job well done.
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Dec 23 2014, 7:29pm
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and I cried harder the second time, in regular 2d format - even though I knew what was coming! I have to say that was the best death scene I think I've ever seen; his laughing and telling Bilbo to go back to his books and plant his tree, and Bilbo's reaction when he faded away, oh, I'm going to start crying again!
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
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ecthelionsbeard
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Dec 23 2014, 7:31pm
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When the 4 set out for Ravenhill to destroy Azog...
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...my heart sunk because I knew what was approaching..
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greenbalrog
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Dec 23 2014, 7:53pm
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I have to say that was the best death scene I think I've ever seen; his laughing and telling Bilbo to go back to his books and plant his tree, and Bilbo's reaction when he faded away Completely agree. How perfect is that scene? I still have it very vivid in my mind. That smile from Thorin, what he says. PJ really knows how to do death scenes. I love Boromir's and Theoden's death scenes very much as well. I cry or get very emotional every time.
Oh, and I'm not afraid to say that my eyes watered several times during BOFA, one of which with a tear dropping through my face.
You preferred the 2nd time in 2D? Can't wait to see it again.
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mirkwoodwanderer
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Dec 23 2014, 8:39pm
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Soon i am going to watch the movie for the 10th time
and i am glad to see him in fhe first part again
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Elanor of Rohan
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Dec 23 2014, 9:26pm
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I seem to have invested so much in those characters. I was incredibly saddened and I cried at the cinema (I never do it and I am teased by my female friends ).
Thorin's death scene was heartbreaking, Fili's was real pain, as it were my own life. Strangely I did not cry for Kili, but I am waiting for a second viewing.
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BlackFox
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Dec 23 2014, 11:14pm
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You did too? Was has this film done to us?!
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Dwarewien
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Dec 23 2014, 11:26pm
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It's just part of being a fan...
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regardless of the fact that Thorin is a fictional character, he's still played by a real person. My mom often tries to comfort me in saying that it's just a story and that the actor isn't really dead (thank goodness, since I'm not sure if I'd be able to recover from that), but it doesn't really help. Fictional or not, Thorin's still my favorite, so anything bad happening to him is still going to bother me (but not enough to keep me out of theaters, since Thorin looks much better on a large movie screen, and in 3D. Too bad 3D doesn't allow you to reach out and grab him to save him from his fate. The only problem with that scenario is that you would have all those other throngs of female admirers to deal with, so it would have to be at some kind of private screening if you want to have him all to yourself, so to speak).
Though I've mourned over other character's deaths before, they were nothing like this, so you're definitely not alone. Even thinking about what would happen to Thorin in BoFA made me tear up, and this may sound a little weird, but I cry when I wait too long (seriously). I know I've never experienced this before, not even with Capt. Jack at the end of Dead Man's Chest (the second PotC movie), but probably because I knew that he wasn't really dead, and although I know a similar thing about Thorin at the end of AUJ, it still makes me cry, every single time, so I'm sure it will be the same with BoFA. Bloody Azog! What does he have against the line of Durin anyway (well, other than the fact that Thorin took his arm off during the Battle of Azanulbizar, but that's beside the point)?
"Will you follow me... one last time?"
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Angharad73
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Dec 23 2014, 11:54pm
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...to feel this way. I don't think that fictional deaths have ever affected me this much before. I knew roughly what was going to happen before I saw the movie since I read a few spoilers, but that didn't help all that much. In fact, I got very upset before I ever saw the movie just reading about Fili's death. I still don't like thinking about that one.
And then Thorin's death... well that just finished me off.
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