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LoremIpsum
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 3:50pm
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So who's decision was the 3 movie split?
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I was reading some BOFA interviews and this quote is quite telling:
I went into it very unprepared. Because Guillermo [Del Toro, the original director] had 18 months of prep, and he couldn’t do the films and I took them over and I only had six months of prep. I didn’t have time to highlight any storyboards, and then it was just suddenly dumped into three movies.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/...to-middle-earth.html
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Lindele
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Dec 22 2014, 3:52pm
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It was Peter Jackson and co's idea
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It was a creative decision.
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 4:04pm
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If you watch the BtS features for The Desolation of Smaug and/or listen to Peter and Phillipa's commentary, it becomes readily apparent that there wasn't all that much material that needed to be added in order to expand what was originally the Hobbit duology into a trilogy, meaning that, creatively, so much material had been generated for An Unexpected Journey and There and Back Again that a number of things that appear in both the Theatrical and Extended Edition cuts would likely have been trimmed and gone unused/unseen had the original plan of only two films been adhered to.
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tsmith675
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Dec 22 2014, 4:04pm
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There's no doubt in my mind...
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That it was the studio's decision.
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Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 4:04pm
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I was reading some BOFA interviews and this quote is quite telling: I went into it very unprepared. Because Guillermo [Del Toro, the original director] had 18 months of prep, and he couldn’t do the films and I took them over and I only had six months of prep. I didn’t have time to highlight any storyboards, and then it was just suddenly dumped into three movies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/...to-middle-earth.html
If you think that is quite telling then you are probably massively over reading into the quote.
It is a retrospective interview made nearly 3 years after the decision to split was made, its very likely he merely misspoke - it has ultimately been a three film project for the last three years.
Also if you a trying to use that quote to intimate that it was three films all along then why did the studio spend the best part of two years happily saying it was two... and we know extensively from all the production info that it was always filmed as two films for the first 3/4 or so of the shoot.
PJ has been quite happily on the record in saying that it was him and Fran and PB that decided on the later decision to split.
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Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 4:06pm
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If PJ would have done two films, each one would have had a duration of strong 180+ minutes.
So it's possible the studio said they want films under 170 minutes. Better 2 1/2 h. So PJ made an offer to do three.
No one here knows for sure.
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Lindele
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Dec 22 2014, 4:11pm
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It was definitely not the studio's decision.
It's such an easy copout to sit back and say 'it was obviously the studio's decision' but if you have actually been following the situation as closely as a lot of us have, and you actually know and understand how PJ and co are and how they work, it is incredibly obvious what happened. Painfully obvious. It is so ludicrous, and the claim is ignorant that it was the studio's decision. Unfortunately it is easy for an outsider to assume it was just a cash grab,.
Say what you want about three films being a right or wrong decision creatively, but it was PJ and co's idea.
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DigificWriter
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Dec 22 2014, 4:12pm
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Re: There is no doubt in my mind
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As I said above, there is ample evidence indicating that It was a purely creative decision driven by the incredible amount of material that was written into the scripts and shot during the initial Production phase.
That it was the studio's decision.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 4:37pm
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We landed on the moon too.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Danielos
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Dec 22 2014, 4:42pm
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However, the Kili/Tauriel-romance was studio interference, right?
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Lindele
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Dec 22 2014, 4:46pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was also PJ and co's idea.
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macfalk
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Dec 22 2014, 4:48pm
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It was Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Danielos
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Dec 22 2014, 4:51pm
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But didn´t Evangeline Lilly say that when she was cast they promised she wouldn´t end up being in another love triangle? Did they lie to her?
Though, I can´t blame Kili for trying . Tauriel is gorgeous!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 4:53pm
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The 3 film split added the Legolas side of the triangle, but Kili/Tauriel was always in the script.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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RabidWolverine
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Dec 22 2014, 4:53pm
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Fran & Philippa's idea and PJ agreed/deferred.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 4:55pm
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But the Kili/Tauriel love story was always there.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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RabidWolverine
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Dec 22 2014, 4:55pm
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I can't point to the resource, but I am 100% certain that Philippa has said so herself.
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 4:59pm
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Tauriel isnt involved in a love triangle
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Legolas clearly does feel for Tauriel what she feels for Kili (romantic love/attraction), but a love triangle is when you have three persons expressing requited feelings and the person 'caught in the middle' being torn between their feelings for one person vs. their feelings for the other person.
Legolas' romantic love for and interest in Tauriel goes largely unexpressed and is clearly unrequited.
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Glorfindela
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Dec 22 2014, 5:10pm
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Why does it matter who's decision it was?
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Lindele
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Dec 22 2014, 5:19pm
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if it was the studio's decision, it was all about money. If it was PJ's decision, it was about the integrity of the movies.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 5:28pm
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It was a collaborative decision obviously. There were money reasons, there were story reasons etc.
Honestly Im glad they did. There is no way they could have done the in depth characterization they did with Thorin in a 2 movie split and keep the essential elements of the movie together without it being shallow and lacking. But that's just my view.
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KingTurgon
Rohan
Dec 22 2014, 6:00pm
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Ya, I get the impression that PJ was never a big fan of that
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I find that PJ's stuff has been mostly gold in this trilogy. For me, Boyens writing her own material or focusing on her favorite characters are when the movies (not just the Hobbit) tend to get a little irritating for the book fan in me.
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 6:06pm
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It was driven far more by creative concerns...
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... than money given the sheer amount of material that is in the films that was shot during Principal photography.
At least 3/4 of the content of all 3 films for both the Theatrical and Extended Edition cuts was, I believe, shot during the initial phase of filming from 2011-2012.
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Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 6:38pm
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Are we all even talking about the same 3 films?
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IIRC, three films came up early, but it was initially to be two Hobbits and a bridge film. Then it later became 3 Hobbit films.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 6:55pm
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I think they knew there was enough material from a creative standpoint and also that it would make money in doing so. But I agree. They material was definitely shot up front which makes your point.
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