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NateGate
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Dec 22 2014, 2:06am
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The Curious Case of the Chain-Eyed Troll...
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So, as Peter said, we have these trolls who have been maimed with weapons built into their bodies for the purpose of making them more battle-efficient. One of these trolls is a particularly brutish beast, with his arms replaced with giant morning-star flails, his legs replaced with giant metal stilts with spiked spheres on the bottom, and his eyes gored out with chains running through the sockets. This troll can be seen briefly fighting in the midst of the fray and then attacking Legolas on Ravenhill.
Now, let me reiterate, this creature is completely blind, and literally has no way to get back on its feet should it fall over, since of course, it has no bendable knees or arms. Will someone explain to me, how this blind, practically lame creature, could single-handedly scale the steep precipices of Ravenhill and then selectively choose to attack the specific tower upon which Legolas stood?
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deskp
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 2:36am
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The concept art shows he has a rider on him, holding on the eye chains.
Well I really dislike this creature, so stupid.
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Merovech
Bree
Dec 22 2014, 2:36am
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It's a completely OTT Jacksonism.
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Applying any logic to it is pointless.
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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 2:50am
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Is it clear this maimed troll has no eyes?
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 3:00am
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i've seen the film three times now.
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Silverlode
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Dec 22 2014, 3:17am
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Airlifted in by a team of cargo bats?
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It worked for Legolas.
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DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell
Dec 22 2014, 3:27am
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There are chains through its eyes, and it sort of looks like Leggy is "steering" it for a bit. Probably there was an orc or something there before to get it up to Ravenhill. Not the most efficient form of travel to be sure.
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Eurolock
Bree
Dec 22 2014, 4:00am
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This was ridiculous in so many ways...
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A 'steerable' troll, seemingly the only troll on Ravenhill, just happens to be right beneath Legolas' tower....how very convenient.
Just like finding 4 rams in the middle of a pitched battle....
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 4:24am
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i think only smaug could airlift that huge troll
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The flames of war are upon you..
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Remus
Lorien
Dec 22 2014, 9:11am
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I dont like it at all... Just have to live with it... Maybe changed arms/hands... But legs too? And chains into the eyes? No... Looks like they tortured the poor fellow and he espaced the dungeons.... lol.
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2014, 9:18am
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it was one of those ideas i bet they were like ...
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"this is way cool!" and they never thought about the realism/believability of such a creature.
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Mcoull
Bree
Dec 22 2014, 1:40pm
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I'm not a fan of the design- why cutting the legs off a troll and replacing them with much thinner, weaker poles seemed like a good idea, who knows. How does it even walk on those things, never mind walk all the way up to Ravenhill.
My real problem with it though comes with how easy to is for Legolas to kill. Think of the threat of the Cave Troll in Fellowship- it took Legolas an the Hobbits to take it down, after it had stabbed Frodo and caused all sorts of chaos, this one is so easy for Legolas to kill (just as everything evil in these films apart from maybe Azog, Bolg and Smaug is extremely easy to kill or knock down). Another reason I try to keep these trilogies separate in my mind.
(This post was edited by Mcoull on Dec 22 2014, 1:41pm)
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NateGate
Rivendell
Dec 22 2014, 3:50pm
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And bear in mind this thing is like 3 times as big as the cave troll...
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Dec 22 2014, 4:28pm
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Not so much because of the improbability of what is depicted, but because of the extremely disturbing imagery present there. I'm very sensitive towards animal abuse, so much I feel genuine pity for fictional beasts, even for the "baddies" (remember the cave troll from FOTR?).
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MechaGodzilla
Rivendell
Dec 22 2014, 5:55pm
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The implication of what was done to that troll, and the fact that it's played for laughs more than anything makes it doubly disturbing. It feels like a very mean-spirited and tasteless joke.
Don't get me wrong, I love and admire Peter Jackson for his work on these films, but sometimes it feels like he has a psychopath's sense of humor. 
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