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Eruthurin
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Dec 19 2014, 1:08pm
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The white gems of Lasgalen??
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ok, can someone explain me that sub-story mentiones in AUJ and BOTFA?.... they jsut show them at the extended first one and is mantioned and showed in the third one but.... where is the background story of it?.....
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Danielos
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Dec 19 2014, 1:11pm
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I think it was the gems belonging to Thranduil´s dead wife.
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Dec 19 2014, 1:37pm
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I think it was the gems belonging to Thranduil´s dead wife. I got that impression as well but I was a bit supprized it wasn't made more obviously as I think it would have been an effective plot point reinforcing elements of the stories of all of the Mirkwood elf characters.
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BlackFox
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Dec 19 2014, 1:44pm
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It's explained in the Visual Companion
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Thranduil designed the necklace for his wife and "in his mind it was the last thing he owned that reminded him of his dead wife".
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Eruthurin
Rivendell
Dec 19 2014, 1:50pm
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I will look for that book too then! ... thanks!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 1:54pm
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Another victim of PJ's slicing and dicing...
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That would have added a lot more resonance to the seemingly abrupt story point about his wife. The EE will be so much better.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 2:08pm
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LoremIpsum
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Dec 19 2014, 2:18pm
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I thought it was obvious in the movie
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I haven't read any spoilers about Thranduil but in BOFA: -it was female jewellery that he wanted -he never speaks of his wife because her loss pains him so much -we know from Legolas she went to Gundabad and never returned -we know Thranduil has a massive scar from DOS that he got facing fire serpents from the north -he tells Tauriel - 'you know what real love is? would you die for it" or something to that effects, I took it from it that Thranduil tried by failed to defend his wife However that was just my brain connecting the dots my own way when watching, people could have different interpretations.
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NecromancerRising
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Dec 19 2014, 2:25pm
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Right now, and after only one viewing of this great film,I am starving for this Extended Edition
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I really do.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 2:33pm
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hehe he could want female jewels for himselfXD
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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 2:39pm
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Check out Silverlode's thoughts on the gems
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Thorin refers to the necklace that Thranduil wants as being "the stones of Lasgalen". Eryn Galen (Greenwood) was the original name for Mirkwood before the Necromancer poisoned it. Eryn Lasgalen (Wood of Greenleaves) is the name that Thranduil and Celeborn later give to Mirkwood after Sauron is destroyed. In addition to being a little nod to wider mythology, it also indicates that Thorin knows the necklace belongs to Thranduil by right - or he likely would not call it by that name. (http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_collapsed;) and
Thinking more about the "stones of Lasgalen", it occurs to me that since Lasgalen means "greenleaves", and Legolas is referred to as Legolas Greenleaf, the writers may have decided that Lasgalen is essentially the name of Thranduil's royal house, in other words his family name - making the necklace possibly part of the "crown jewels", for lack of a better term. If that was the line of thinking, no wonder Thranduil wants them back enough to go to war for them. It's not only sentimental value (assuming they were for/worn by Legolas' mother) - it's an insult to have one's royal emblems withheld from him by dwarves and essentially held for ransom. (http://newboards.theonering.net/...sb=post_time;so=DESC;)
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Eruthurin
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Dec 19 2014, 4:19pm
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I thought Thranduil order the jewels to be made by the elves and for some reason unknown (not explained) Thror didn't give them back... not sure about being owned by him or his wife beforehand.... any thoughts?...
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Michelle Johnston
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Dec 19 2014, 5:16pm
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Phillippa Boyens explains the backstory to Thranduil in the Empire Pod cast. His beautifully nuanced enigmatic performance is driven by his grief at the loss of his wife in the war with Angmar. The echo of the Nauglamir/ Thingol in the Lasgalen/Thranduil story remind us in Tolkien worlds how precious gems are a recurring motif for focusing greed avarice and the uneasy relationship between the Eldar and the children of Aule.
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Eruthurin
Rivendell
Dec 19 2014, 6:33pm
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Elves do not work metal themselves?!
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Uh... not sure about this since they made fine swords and other weapons, Orcrist included, not to mention Anduril, Sting and many many more... or may be just for jewlery? That's a bad imprecision....
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kiwifan
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Dec 19 2014, 11:24pm
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That's what it says but how do we know it is true?
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I have that book and I used up a whole block of little adhesive flags marking all the spots where Jude Fisher gets things wrong (or the writing is sloppy, and so on). I have all the Visual Companions for TH and LotR and was often surprised at the many errors contained in them. Sorry, but I do find that annoying. Perhaps she gathers her source material way ahead of the actual finishing of the respective film by PJ and thus misses changes effected in editing, or scenes redone and changed in pickups. The person I would like to ask about these things is Philippa Boyens but unless she comes to HobbitCon, no chance of that.
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kiwifan
Rohan
Dec 19 2014, 11:31pm
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Perhaps it's just the Sylvan Elves who don't work metal and/or gems
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After all, Feanor (who created the Silmarils) was an Elf (one of the princes of the Noldor), and so was Celebrimbor, who if I recall correctly, designed and/or fashioned the three rings of power that the Elves have (Nenya, Narya and Vilya)
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