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MJM
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Dec 18 2014, 2:42pm
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Can anyone explain? (Spoilers)
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I have seen BOFA and I love it, but there is one part of the movie that I really have a problem with. (No it is not the Mario Legolas scene.) The scene where Azog is lying face up under the surface of the ice looking at Thorin and then leaps out through the ice and attacks him makes absolutely no sense to me. I actually liked the Legolas scene because it was possible because he is an elf, but there is no way that Azog would be able to have the momentum to be able to leap out of the river like he does, or is there? Does anybody have a possible explanation? Thanks!
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There&ThereAgain
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Dec 18 2014, 3:02pm
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I just presumed it was just for cinematic purposes
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All the time in fantasy and sci-fi films characters make one 'final push' when their death is near. Can explain how Thorin survives so long as well.
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MorgolKing
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Dec 18 2014, 3:02pm
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Legolas anti-gravity boots make no sense
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Sorry, I just had to comment. Just b/c Legolas is an elf doesn't mean it makes sense that he can walk on falling rocks.
What kind of reasoning is that? He's an elf = can walk on falling rocks.
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dungolfin
The Shire
Dec 18 2014, 3:14pm
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It's because PJ is really bad at physics...
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There are numerous examples across the whole series where gravity, weight, inertia and momentum are all ignored. It's best to ignore it or it'll spoil your enjoyment of the films.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 3:18pm
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Perhaps he floated over a rock.
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And used his feet to push himself up through the ice. I'm not sure that's quite the point if the scene though!
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adt100
Rohan
Dec 18 2014, 3:22pm
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I loved the way Azog went under the water, as much due to his own hands as Thorin's, seemed actually very poignant.
Great visual imagery to him floating beneath Thorin's feet. Alas, the moment his eyes closed you almost KNEW he was going to open them again and somehow attack! Did seem a bit OTT.
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adt100
Rohan
Dec 18 2014, 3:23pm
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True this. I mean a dragon being able to fly with those small wings too!
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tsmith675
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Dec 18 2014, 3:25pm
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That scene was cool 
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MJM
The Shire
Dec 18 2014, 3:33pm
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...because Legolas is described as being very light in the books, technically it would be possible for him to be able to push off of the rocks, even if they were in free fall.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 3:35pm
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I just went with it. It worked for me. I thought it was cool and I liked it. Much more dramatic than just having Thorin take some spears from some Orcs.
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MJM
The Shire
Dec 18 2014, 3:36pm
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...I am just assuming that the particular area of the river that he was in was rather shallow. 
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 3:41pm
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"Legolas watched them for a while with a smile upon his lips, and then he turned to the others. `The strongest must seek a way, say you? But I say: let a ploughman plough, but choose an otter for swimming, and for running light over grass and leaf or over snow-an Elf.'"
Also: just watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon a few times.
I think Tolkien meant for that snow scene to show a spiritual lightness. Legolas' entire character in the books is "magical child", very much of the Light, inspirational, uplifting, peering into the forest of Fangorn with a sense of wonder when everyone else is sharpening their weapons... he is also closely connected to Nature and natural forces.
CTHD is a fantasy kung-fu film with a lot of wire fu, but the basic concepts of martial arts are there. Martin Lee wrote "The Healing Art of Tai Chi: Becoming One With Nature", he's a PhD (Stanford Linear Accelerator Center) and a tai chi master... somehow the laws of physics and the Chinese art of moving energy around with your mind aren't two separate ideas here...
Now, of you had centuries to practice....
you could run up falling rocks too.
As for leaping out of water like a crocodile or whale or great white shark....
well, they do it.
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Darkstone
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Dec 18 2014, 3:41pm
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Yep, the film is a failure as a physics course supplement.
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Though some other courses might want to use it to illustrate how dinosaurs co-existed with humans 6000 years ago, so not a total fail.
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MJM
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Dec 18 2014, 3:42pm
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...but it would have been cooler if it were more realistic. But I suppose compared to a lot of the things in this series it is realistic. 
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Remus
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Dec 18 2014, 3:43pm
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I thought Azog would sink to the bottom because of the armor weighting A LOT... But nope.. But it's not a big annoying thing for me. And that ice looked pretty thick to "jump through".
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adt100
Rohan
Dec 18 2014, 5:02pm
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(though I'm still not a fan ;)
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 5:50pm
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Hero was a great movie and like Crouching tiger had tons of unexplained stunts in typical fashion. A great movie nonetheless.
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utku
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Dec 18 2014, 6:52pm
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Well it must be very shallow indeed anyway
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Since they are not standing on a merely frozen lake, they are standing on a frozen waterfall. There's no way it would be deep, in fact it's only logical that it would be shallow.
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Bombadil
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Dec 18 2014, 7:24pm
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HAVE Any of you been to Niagara Falls?
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Because of thizz..
Huge Crack in the "Canadian Shield"
{A Tectonic Plate} all waters lead there.The Largest contentiously VOLUME..of FRESH Water
THE Volume of water determines it depth..
in Late Autumn Now past Durin's Day..early Winter..
not much Run-off.
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Rohan
Dec 18 2014, 9:31pm
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Maybe he could actually reach the bottom and was able to have the momentum from there.
What I found implausible was that he would still be able to function so well after being under freezing cold water like that. Actually they were all pretty lightly dressed for a wheather cold enough to freeze over an entire waterfall. :P
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 11:03pm
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was indeed fantastic, as was House of Flying Daggers... with Crouching Tiger, they made a kind of neat kung-fu trilogy.
Like much of what goes on in Middle Earth, the "magic" is never explained, it is just shown.
Show, don't tell.
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 11:04pm
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and the bottom could be shallower, and ice does vary greatly in texture... and anyway, orcs...
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Wow, that was completely uncalled for.
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