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AinurOlorin
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Dec 5 2014, 1:35am
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Narya worn plainly on Gandalf in Dol Guldur, and poster Frodo seems to have been
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spot on with his description of at least part of that seen. Some apologies may be owed him (not from me though  I never officially challanged or questioned his report lol). It is worth noting though. Watch the Dol Guldur Clip. The Red Ring is plainly on the Wizard's finger as Galadriel carries him. If I didn't miss it, surely Sauron didn't? One of the Three he desired most under the One... perhaps, whilst Gandalf's will and power held, Narya could not be so easily wrested away.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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xxxyyy
Rohan
Dec 5 2014, 2:47am
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Maybe Galadriel gave it to him when she found him almost dead in the cage...
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Then, Sauron reveals himself, "htree rings...".
She is now scared that Narya is in danger, on such a debilitated being who could not wield it properly, so she hides it (watch the clip) when the Nazgul appear.
I... just don't know...
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Osskil
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Dec 5 2014, 3:59am
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I think that makes sense, and that...
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...the 'hiding' of the rings was not a physical hiding-away but rather a magical cloaking or veiling.
Consider how the Elves could hide their true forms or lay them bare as they "are on the other side," as Glorfindel does at the Ford. Consider also how Galadriel could 'see' much of Sauron's thought, but hers were still hidden from him. And consider that, while Frodo saw Galadriel's ring, Sam saw only a star. Yet even Frodo, a ringbearer, seemed not to have been able to see the ring until Galadriel revealed it to him, despite his having been in close proximity to it previously.
Of course, Sauron was the greater in power compared to Frodo, but perhaps a case could be made, with a little movie-universe tweaking and not too much rationalization, that the Rings were hidden by the might, will, and glamoury of the bearer and not by physical distance alone.
Why, then, do we see the Rings? Well, we we see the Nazgul. It seems that the filmmakers grant the audience the inside privilege of seeing what the protagonists see, something the movies have been pretty consistent about (save perhaps the bit in the DOS EE).
Or maybe I'm wrong.
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Rohan
Dec 5 2014, 8:59am
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Galadriel is also wearing Nenya
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All three of them are wearing their Rings. Just because we as the audience can see them, though, doesn't necessarily mean they're visible to Sauron.
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AshNazg
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Dec 5 2014, 11:03am
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It makes me wonder if the prologue I posted a few weeks ago is true...
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The details of the Dol Guldur plot seem very in-line with the rumoured Sauron prologue that I was told about a few weeks ago. I wonder if they cut the prologue for pacing?
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Elthir
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Dec 5 2014, 11:28am
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Sorry... bad pun.
And consider that, while Frodo saw Galadriel's ring, Sam saw only a star. Yet even Frodo, a ringbearer, seemed not to have been able to see the ring until Galadriel revealed it to him, despite his having been in close proximity to it previously.
I also consider the possibility that Sam saw Galadriel's ring -- earlier compared to a star -- but just didn't recognize it as he was still so upset and distracted by his vision (he doesn't seem to have been listening that well, either). As for Frodo, he seems to have noticed Nenya when the rays of the Evening star glanced upon it: "... and a white stone in it twinkled as if the Even-star had come down and rested upon her hand."
And Sam saw a 'star'? Anyway Frodo's noticement (probanly not a word) seems pretty natural to me. And I note that Frodo didn't suddenly see the Ring, but: "Frodo gazed at the ring with awe; for suddenly it seemed to him that he understood."
I'm not sure I would necessarily notice a ring upon anyone's hand, at night; and if I did it could just be a nice piece of jewelry. Of course if you know about the Three and their powers, and realize how great Galadriel is, and now you see her wearing a ring, and you are the bearer of the One...
... whose 'sight' (understanding) has grown keener...
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Elthir
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Dec 5 2014, 12:11pm
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Or maybe I'm wrong.
... maybe I'm wrong. I mean there are some 'ringing' questions even if only the book is considered.
Sorry again.
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Rohan
Dec 5 2014, 2:37pm
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Let's hope it is, and that it will be in the EE! //
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