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The Hobbit connections in LOTR.

macfalk
Valinor


Dec 3 2014, 12:25am

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Help me list some of the stuff that hint towards what happened in The Hobbit, or how The Hobbit movies change they way we see certain scenes (most obvious example: Balin's tomb, now after we have all watched the 6 movies we know exactly who this lovable dwarf is. Can't wait to watch FOTR after I've watched BOFA to see how I react to that.)

Some I remember:

1. Map of Erebor in Bag End when Gandalf arrives
2. "The incident with the dragon!" conversation
3. Bilbo namedropping Laketown, Lonely Mountain and Mirkwood when talking to Frodo in Rivendell.
4. "Bilbo had a shirt of mithril rings, that Thorin gave him." "That was a kingly gift!" - FOTR EE in Moria


Help me out! And in a few weeks when the majority has watched BOFA, we'll probably figure out more scenes that may have a different meaning after watching all 6 films in order.

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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Dec 3 2014, 12:56am

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1. Bilbo telling the hobbit children about the trolls.

2. The Trollshaws with the stone trolls and Sam's line "It's Mr. Bilbo's trolls!"

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"When you think of the great Battle of Pelennor, do not forget the Battle of Dale. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador! There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now only hope to return from the victory here to ruin and ash. But that has been averted -- because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring not far from Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth."
- Gandalf


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Dec 3 2014, 4:27pm

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Darkness crept back into the forests of the world. Rumor grew of a shadow in the East, whispers of a nameless fear [..] - Galadriel

In my eyes this is a hint towards the Necromancer incident.


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[..] and the Ring of Power perceived. Its time had now come. It abandoned Gollum. But then something happened that the Ring did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable. A hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, of the Shire. - Galadriel

The obvious one of course. Bilbo finding the One Ring in Gollums cave. Bilbo Baggins himself is the biggest connection... obviously ;-)

Another obvious one is Gimli "son of Gloin".

Also we've got the tomb of "Balin son of Fundin" in Moria and Ori being the dead body holding the book but that's not mentioned in the films so it doesn't count at this point.

And also the ROTK epilogue with Sam reading the title of Bilbos story "'There and Back again. A Hobbits tale. By Bilbo Baggins' and 'The Lord of the Rings. By Frodo Baggins'". This and the scene at the Grey Havens with Frodo AND Bilbo leaving feels now like a perfect ending for all six films. And we now know why not just Frodo but also Bilbo is allowed to go on "one last adventure".

Not a real connection but worth mentioning: When Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are surrounded by Eomer and his Rohirrim in TTT, Aragorn introduces Legolas as "from the Woodland Realm". Also I believe Galadriel mentions the "brothers and sisters in the Woodland Realm" when she gives the Galadrim Bow to Legolas in FOTR... but I'm not quite sure.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

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MatthewJer18
Rohan

Dec 3 2014, 4:38pm

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"My gift for you, Legolas, is a bow of the Galadhrim, worthy of the skill of our woodland kin."



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Dec 3 2014, 4:52pm

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I'm not sure if this is the kind of connection you're looking for, but Gimli carries his father's axe throughout the LOTR trilogy. And Gimli's helmet and belt mimic two of the armor patterns on Gloin's shoulders. They must be family patterns.


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Lissuin
Valinor


Dec 4 2014, 3:03am

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One big red and gold thingy. [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf's firework dragon at Bilbo's party. Everyone is terrified at first, but Bilbo says, "Nonsense!", and eventually they remember that there are no more dragons and it becomes a source of delight and wonder.


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 4 2014, 2:53pm

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I am looking for stuff like that! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure if this is the kind of connection you're looking for, but Gimli carries his father's axe throughout the LOTR trilogy.

Thanks!


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FrogmortonJustice65
Lorien


Dec 4 2014, 5:48pm

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My personal favorite reference to the Hobbit happens in the EE of ROTK: [In reply to] Can't Post

"FRODO: It’s just a feeling. I don’t think I’ll be coming back.

SAM: Yes you will. Of course you will. That’s just morbid thinking. We’re going there and back again just like Mr Bilbo. You’ll see."

Makes me wish they had kept BOFTA named There and Back Again!

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Dec 4 2014, 6:43pm

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HOW could you guyz, Forget Elrond? [In reply to] Can't Post

& Saruman..?

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arithmancer
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Dec 5 2014, 1:42am

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The DoS scene from the High Fells, and the EE addition of a flashback, tie to Aragorn's explanation of their history to the Hobbits in Bree.

Also Gandalf meeting Thorin in Bree, at the Prancing Pony is a tie.



Nuradar
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Dec 5 2014, 6:43pm

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Nice call Lieutenant [In reply to] Can't Post

I will forever think of Dol Goldur when I hear this line.

Thank you.


Na Vedui
Rohan


Dec 5 2014, 7:14pm

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in Moria, in FOTR, about Bilbo sparing Gollum's life.


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 5 2014, 7:57pm

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This is a great one! [In reply to] Can't Post

I totally forgot - very important scene, too.

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macfalk
Valinor


Dec 7 2014, 1:23am

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Just thought of another... [In reply to] Can't Post

Haldir greets Legolas son of Thranduil in the extended edition.

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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Dec 7 2014, 3:36am

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Elrond at the Council addressing Gimli as "Gimli, son of Gloin"

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"When you think of the great Battle of Pelennor, do not forget the Battle of Dale. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador! There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now only hope to return from the victory here to ruin and ash. But that has been averted -- because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring not far from Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth."
- Gandalf

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Magpie
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Dec 7 2014, 4:17am

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from TH Ch. 1:

“Put on a few eggs, there’s a good fellow!” Gandalf called after him, as the hobbit stumped off to the pantries. “And just bring out the cold chicken and pickles!”


from FOTR movie:

You've caught me a bit unprepared, I'm afraid...we've only got cold chicken, bit of pickle, some cheese here...

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After Bilbo has left Bag End in the FOTR movie, Gandalf is pondering on the Ring and muttering to himself. One line he mutters is "Riddles in the Dark" which is a chapter title in TH.


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Lissuin
Valinor


Dec 7 2014, 4:23am

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How the ordinary folk of M-e describe a certain wizard. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Tall fellow, long beard, pointy hat" or something.

AUJ: The man selling vegetables to Bilbo in the hobbit market says it.

FOTR: Butterbur says the same in the Prancing Pony in FOTR.


Danielos
Rohan

Dec 7 2014, 5:44pm

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Frodo to Gollum: "This is Sting! You´ve seen it before! Haven´t you, Gollum?"

Sam to Frodo: "That is just morbid thinking. We will go there and back again. Just like mr. Bilbo!"


DigificWriter
Lorien

Dec 8 2014, 8:25am

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This is a 'reverse reference'. Peter 'reprised'* his cameo character from Fellowship (referred to as "Carrot Man" by himself and Phillipa on the DoS commentary) after his initial DoS cameo was vetoed.

* I put 'reprised' in quotes because, technically, his DoS appearance has to be as an older descendant of the character seen in Fellowship


(This post was edited by DigificWriter on Dec 8 2014, 8:30am)

 
 

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