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Glorfindela
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Nov 16 2014, 6:54pm
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Sorry, but I have to vent
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That 'Last Goodbye' song is absolutely beautiful, and so moving. Never expected that. It has a touching innocence about it (for me), possibly due to Billy Boyd's voice.
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Cirashala
Valinor
Nov 16 2014, 7:37pm
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When I saw the subject title...(book spoilers)
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I thought it was going to be something that you were ticked off about lol!
Yes, the piece is stunningly beautiful! I cried when I listened to it the first time (and had to fight not to the subsequent times to avoid that "post crying headache").
Honestly, I love Into the West, and May it Be, and Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold, but WOW- I think this one just went to the top (along with FOMMC) as the best ones! And Into the West is a close second.
The imagery that this song provokes in my mind is utterly perfect for this film- as I listened, and closed my eyes, all I saw were little brief clips of images of Fili and Kili and their exuberance in Bag End, the antics (like Blunt the Knives), and them throughout the journey during the happier times, of Thorin's rare smile, and his interactions with the lads, of Thorin's hug atop the Carrock, etc....
It really got to me, because I imagine that those would be the very images going through Bilbo's own head as he grieved the loss of his friends- as the song puts it, "his last goodbye" to them!
Forget the box of tissues- I'm going to stuff two jumbo rolls of toilet paper in my purse for this one!  If nearly everyone doesn't leave that theater misty eyed after hearing that song (and the events in the movie, since the actors have all but confirmed their characters die), then they must have rather cold hearts, I think!
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Nov 16 2014, 7:43pm
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Not surprising you thought that
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Given my stance on one (or two) aspects of DoS! However, the song is beautiful and sad. It actually brings back memories of LotR for me, more than anything else.
I think 'May It Be' is probably my favourite song, followed by 'Into the West' and 'The Last Goodbye'.
I thought it was going to be something that you were ticked off about lol!
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Cirashala
Valinor
Nov 16 2014, 7:48pm
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then they accomplished their goal
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because the original goal was, that by the end of BO5A, we would segue naturally into LOTR
And it's befitting, don't you think? This is technically the first battle in the greater War of the Ring, which culminates in Sauron being destroyed forever.
So it shouldn't be uplifting from that stance, because the days are dark ahead. However, it also encompasses a bit of that hope as well- Bilbo's a changed hobbit, and he does not know where his paths will lead in the future. But for him, he's saying goodbye to his fallen friends, but he's also starting a new chapter in his own life.
He will never be the same, but now he's finally ok with that. He's going to go home knowing what it means to live, and having earned forever, lasting friendships with Gandalf and Elrond, and the dwarves, and been dubbed dwarf friend and elf friend, respectively. He's had an experience that most hobbits would never have, and while it's sad that he's having to say goodbye to Thorin, Fili, and Kili, he himself has come into his own.
This is the end of their journey, but it's only the beginning of his own- a journey that will finally end on the grey ship at a ripe old age 
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dormouse
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Nov 16 2014, 7:54pm
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It's beautiful. I woke up this morning with the song going round in my head - words and tune after listening a handful of times. It's always a good sign for me, when a song is instantly memorable (without being an annoying earworm!)
'Touching innocence' is a lovely description, I think. It's the simplicity that makes it so moving, and his voice,which is very pure and natural.
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Eruvandi
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Nov 16 2014, 8:36pm
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I like this kind of venting :)
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Couldn't agree more.
*clicks to replay song again*
"There's distraction buzzing in my head,
Saying in the shadows it's easier to stay.
But I've heard rumors, of true reality.
Whispers of a well-lit way.
When the world has fallen out from under me,
I'll be found in You, still standing.
When the sky rolls up and mountains fall on their knees,
When time and space are through.
I'll be found in You."
~Shadowfeet by Brooke Fraser
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Old Toby
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Nov 16 2014, 8:54pm
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And I really think it's Billy Boyd's voice that lends the song so much poignancy. A stellar performance, methinks.
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Nov 16 2014, 8:57pm
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I must have listened to it 100 times already
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I absolutely love it. Just love it. It's simple, but beautiful. And it's perfect for Bilbo. I can see Bilbo singing this song. Billy Boyd was a great choice. My eyes are already red from crying. I don't know how I'm going to make it through the movie.
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gkgyver
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Nov 16 2014, 9:27pm
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Sorry, I think the song is unspeakably boring. Uninteresting melody, instrumentation of Into The West, only far less inspiring, and Billy Boyd, even though it's supposed to be an innocent song, has no voice for proper singing.
Weakest of the Hobbit songs.
And they were all not exactly stellar.
In retrospect, Far Over The Misty Mountains is the best one.
And it had at least a beautiful intro by Howard Shore.
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Avandel
Half-elven
Nov 16 2014, 9:52pm
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Move over, I need to burn with you *grins*
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In retrospect, Far Over The Misty Mountains is the best one.
That, and for me also Mist and Shadows.
I understand what, and even why, folks are saying, but out of the 3 Hobbit end songs which did not thrill me but at least AUJ's to me had some grit and Celtic feel to it, this "Last Goodbye" sounds discomfortingly like "Danny Boy".
Too many violins, too saccharine, too forced re shoehorning in lines from book and nothing I could ever picture the film Bilbo singing. And I am making sure I leave the theater before this starts.
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Elessar
Valinor
Nov 16 2014, 9:56pm
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Next to Into The West it is my favorite.
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Bombadil
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Nov 16 2014, 10:50pm
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1. We are emotionally invested in Billy.
Even though he was the Oldest Actor
playing a Hobbit, in the Nine goin' South
Pippin was the Baby..?
That grew up right before our eyeszzz.
"Where are we goin'..?" (Council of Elrond, FOTR)
2. If thiz is playin' over the Beautiful Drawingz
of our 20 something characterzz..
That could imply Bilbo izz
singin' it.
3. Enough words in Thesezz Lyrics,
Down the Road, Down to the SEA,
snow fallin' on on fallen brotherz...etc.
In a WAY, it izz a RE-write of
"The Road goes ever ever on,
........Over rock and under Tree.
By caves where never sun has shone,
.....By Streams that never find the sea;
Over snow by winter shown,
......And through the merry flowers of June,
Over grass and over stone,
....And under mountain in the moon.
Roads go ever ever on
.....Under cloud and under star,
Yet Feet that wandering have gone
.....Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
.....And the horror in the halls of stone
Look at Last on meadows green
....And trees and hills they long have known.
Pg. 302 The Hobbit
written by some Professor we know?
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Nov 16 2014, 11:25pm
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Elessar
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Nov 16 2014, 11:35pm
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Misty eyed right away.
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MatthewJer18
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Nov 17 2014, 3:43am
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I can understand not liking the song, but Boyd has a fantastic voice.
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I'll be a little controversial myself: I think "The Last Goodbye" is better than even some of the LotR end credit songs, and that's due to Boyd.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Nov 17 2014, 5:02am
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I'll be bawling in the theatre. No doubt.
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Nov 17 2014, 8:05am
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Am I glad I finally opened your post
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in spite of its slightly frightening subject!!!
After hastening away(!) at first, I came back to it with more courage, still hesitated again, but then determinedly clicked on it... What a happy relief when reading what you actually meant to vent!...
Well, I'm glad for you too then, you're somehow lucky, for although most everybody loves this song (myself included), some do not, and I can imagine how frustrating it must feel to be disappointed like that for the very end,,,...
I was especially moved by your words, 'touching innocence'. So true. Dear Billy does have that child-like quality in him, which he embodied so perfectly in Pippin, and his voice still has it, wonderfully.
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Eleniel
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Nov 17 2014, 8:18am
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I've been thinking the same, re: the contemporary vibe...
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...but I guess that is simply in line with the different approach Jackson has taken filming to TH compared with LotR... Personally I find the LotR credit songs fit far better soundwise with the M-e "theme."
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
― Victoria Monfort
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Nov 17 2014, 8:23am
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Agree with your (well worded) 'modernity' complaint
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for all three films, and for the same reason.
For me, it's mostly the guitar which is the disturbing element almost inevitably evocative of cow-boyish songs I would prefer not to intrude into my beloved much more ancient M-e atmosphere.
I do love cow-boy songs too, mind you, but in their place and time.
Luckily, in the case of this song at least, the guitar is very mild and soon drowned out by the swelling cords and other sounds more appropriate for M-e, and after an initial very slight cringe, by now.I don't even notice it anymore, especially because I focus more on the lyrics, as I understand them now without problem... which was not the case before!
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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dormouse
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Nov 17 2014, 8:32am
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If you leave the cinema before it starts....
...which means in practice you will be climbing over people and making them stand to let you go past as it is starting...
...you will break the mood and spoil the moment for all the people who do like it... *sob*
*Fervently hopes not to be sitting next to Avandel*
*A quiet snigger is heard from inside the teapot.... 
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Nov 17 2014, 9:10am
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When I post of late I tend to focus on things that I don't like in DoS, rather than the ones that I do like, perhaps partly because of disappointment, and partly because I like to discuss pros and cons on a film forum. However, I always say there are quite a few things that I DO like in the films, e.g. many of the visuals, which I think are superb, the acting of people such as RA, KS, MF, LP, LE, the costumes, etc.
I do agree about the contemporary vibe of the Hobbit songs apart from this one, which seems more like an 'old English' ballad to me. I think 'Song of the Lonely Mountains' would have been better sung by the Dwarves, or possibly something like a Welsh choir it is a bit too 'poppy' for me as an end of credits song. Of the LotR songs, I don't like the Gollum song at all, but I think 'May It Be' is simply beautiful, sung with a beautiful voice, and it brings back many memories for me
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Nov 17 2014, 12:34pm
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hmmm... the guitar isn't the problem, imo
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After all, the guitar as a string-instrument has been in use for ages as part of folk music. I'm no musician but to me, it seemed to be something more to do with the arrangements and the tempo.
Having said that, I know my complaints about the piano being too contemporary may sound incongruous, but it just does, particularly with the prevalence of piano in serious present-day PSA messages and in female power song and such. Besides, it's not something to fit in the travelling pack of roving mistrels and troubadours. 
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