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A mini DoS: EE Review of Sorts - warning Spoilers
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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 5:44pm

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https://davegolder2005.wordpress.com/...desolation-of-smaug/

Not much to go on here, and some may disagree with the reviewer (he's entitled to his view of course), but the images reveal some interesting things. The White Stag scene is in. It looks like Gandalf does 'heal' Thrain. Does this explain his healed eye as well? We'll have to see


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NoelGallagher
Rohan


Oct 16 2014, 5:51pm

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Gandalf healing Thrain, probably after his fight..or is he already killed ?! Thinking the first is more likely...

And the mentioned fight scene should be also the Gandalf-Thrain stuff i guess.


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KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 5:53pm

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There’s also a great fight scene that’s been added to the Extended Edition, which I won’t spoil, but it significantly alters one section of the film, in a way the new scenes rarely have before.

ShockedShockedShocked SlySlySly SmileSmileSmile

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 5:55pm

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to mean the Gandalf and Thrain encounter.


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 5:59pm

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I just wasn't expecting the fight, itself, to be 'great' or 'significantly alter' that section of the film.

That comment has definitely peaked my interest and I'm all the more excited to see it play out now (if that is, in fact, the scene being referenced).

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Oct 16 2014, 6:06pm

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Yay! That guy on twitter had me worried.


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 6:09pm

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”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2014, 6:12pm

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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true

Survivor to the battle for the fifth trailer



Dcole4
Rohan

Oct 16 2014, 6:15pm

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From the tweets and reviews so far is any mention of a flashback during the Bree prologue, explaining how Thrain became lost during the Moria battle. There are very noticeable cuts in the scene as is, so it's quite clear that these scenes were intended to go there. It has me very anxious. It would seem odd to leave them out, especially since we meet Thrain in Dol Guldur as a new actor. To not set him up beforehand, and his relationship with Gandalf (in the key giving scene) would be very odd and confusing to casual viewers.


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Oct 16 2014, 6:15pm

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Wow, this reviewer summed it up for me, like he's reading mind mind... [In reply to] Can't Post

"My main problem with Smaug, though, is Smaug. Not his look. Not Benedict Cumberbatch’s performance. Not the animation. But the fact he’s so bloody ineffectual. He’s a massive fire-breathing dragon and yet he can’t fry one little dwarf! The whole final action scene was, we learn from the Blu-Ray, one of the things that was added to the script when the The Hobbit was expanded from two films to three, so there’s a practical reason why none of the Dwarves could be reduced to cinders; certainly remaining faithful to the book wasn’t issue but the ending of Smaug had to retain continuity with footage already shot for Five Armies, so sudden, shocking deaths were impossible. But there’s a real lack of threat to the climactic scenes, which undermines Smaug’s declaration, “I am death!” Are you? Are you really?"

That's the exact same reaction I had. "I am death". I just had to roll my eyes after suffering through a lengthy benny hill compilation between Smaug and the Dwarves.


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 6:21pm

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I like to think that PJ wouldn't miss this chance to rectify the editing in the prologue. And like you said, it would help to set Thráin up before hand.

I'm confident that we'll get the flashback.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

(This post was edited by KeenObserver on Oct 16 2014, 6:25pm)


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 6:33pm

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This reviewer doesn't actually mention any additions aside from hinting at the Thrain encounter, and the Empire reviewer clearly wasn't too familiar with the film given his incorrect comments about the Mirkwood and Beorn extensions. Indeed, he only really mentioned the Thrain and slight Laketown extensions without prompting, and what we know of so far must only account for about half the total additions, max.

I'll only be concerned once we get an explicit denial or a review from someone knowledgeable which mentions more than one or two additions.


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 6:38pm

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Did anyone see this tweet from TORN a couple of days back? Confirmation of more High Fells!


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Desolation EE: More Beorn, sleepy Bombur, more Gandalf, more tombs, and THRAIN.



lidlessEye
Rivendell

Oct 16 2014, 6:42pm

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Bilbo standing in Dale looking up to the gates of Erebor - that has to be in
It was the main poster


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 6:43pm

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more tombs

Thanks, Shagrat.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 6:44pm

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If we got confirmation of Thrain flashbacks (map and key, Moria) and a journey through Dale to the gates of Erebor, I'd be entirely satisfied. Anything else would be a bonus.


DjU
Lorien

Oct 16 2014, 6:45pm

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Frankly at this moment I'd require something a bit more to substantiate that tweet. TORN *news* hasn't exactly had a brilliant track record this year...


Elessar
Valinor


Oct 16 2014, 6:49pm

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don't really care if he likes it or not.



Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 16 2014, 6:49pm

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Obviously review copies have been sent out, and have been watched over the past few days.


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 6:51pm

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don't really care if he likes it or not.


”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

(This post was edited by KeenObserver on Oct 16 2014, 6:51pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Oct 16 2014, 6:51pm

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Our overall [In reply to] Can't Post

track record is darn good. There may be issues once in a while but its not usually because we just said whatever. Give us a little more credit. Cool



Elessar
Valinor


Oct 16 2014, 6:54pm

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and its not really meant to. Hopefully people will understand having seen me post a few times.Cool



NoelGallagher
Rohan


Oct 16 2014, 6:58pm

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Did anyone see this tweet from TORN a couple of days back? Confirmation of more High Fells!


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Desolation EE: More Beorn, sleepy Bombur, more Gandalf, more tombs, and THRAIN.



is there much more to add ?Crazy or can other tombs be meant ?!


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AshNazg
Gondor


Oct 16 2014, 7:02pm

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I can feel the admins' angry eyes as I type this. So I won't say where, but there are some clips out there if you're good at Google. Hope it's okay to say that much Crazy


KeenObserver
Lorien


Oct 16 2014, 7:12pm

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I don't want to watch any new scenes in isolation. It's very important that I watch the extended edition as a whole because I feel like that's the only way to reverse the slightly negative psychological impression that the theatrical version left on me.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

(This post was edited by KeenObserver on Oct 16 2014, 7:20pm)

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