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The Assault on Dol Guldur: Where they will "fight" ?!

NoelGallagher
Rohan


Oct 15 2014, 5:25pm

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Just was wondering about that since what we have seen so far, there aren´t many places where a battle,even basically a magical one can take place. We have seen Gandalf on this platform outside, where he gets attacked by Azog. Maybe there ?

Since all the transitions seem to be quite angular and narrow its actually hard to imagine more than 3-4 characters "fighting" in one place. Or are there probably any levels in Dol Guldur which we haven´t seen so far ?!

Thoughts?Smile


Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 15 2014, 6:00pm

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Places To Fight [In reply to] Can't Post

The bridge area....

The bottom pit where it was filled with orcs and wargs...


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Oct 15 2014, 6:01pm

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well i think it would be quite easy for Sauron to smash it Wink


sycorax82
Rohan

Oct 15 2014, 6:08pm

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I don't think there will be a 'fight' as such [In reply to] Can't Post

All I see happening is Galadriel having basically the same battle of light vs dark against Sauron and winning through using the Light of Earendil and/or Nenya to up her powers.

Saruman may despatch some orcs by collapsing the bridge or something.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2014, 7:17pm

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There's the Ringwraiths though [In reply to] Can't Post

A fight scene with them was filmed back in 2012.


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Oct 15 2014, 8:12pm

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I hope not... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Galadriel should NEVER be portrayed as more competent/powerful as Gandalf.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


dubulous
Rohan

Oct 15 2014, 8:31pm

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I don't see the problem [In reply to] Can't Post

We are comparing Galadriel and Gandalf the Grey, not Galadriel and Olórin the Maia. Gandalf the Grey, while certainly powerful, is not one for big shows of power. His task is to give advice and try to unite the good people of M-E to fight against the growing evil. His powers on M-E are restricted, Galadriel's aren't.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2014, 8:37pm

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Was there? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is this inside information, or have I missed an article/interview?

(Nice to see you around, Carne. Smile)



Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2014, 8:40pm

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Wink

I think I've mentioned it before, but that might have been a long time ago.


Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 16 2014, 12:57am

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Also, there's lots of areas where PJ can maneuver on this since it was not really quite specified as to what Nenya can do (if she were to use it), the Phial (if it is more potent in her hands), and what she learned from Melian. Galadriel is no fool; I don't think it will be a surprise for her coming into Dol Guldur knowing that she will be facing Sauron.

GOM


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Oct 16 2014, 4:46am

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I disagree... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Gandalf should always be more of a match to Sauron in a one-to-one battle, than Galadriel. Especially when his ''life'' is at stake.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Bombadil
Half-elven


Oct 16 2014, 5:16am

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Please Have ALL NINE! since Gandalf has Already [In reply to] Can't Post

Told the
Audience they
ALL..escaped the High Fells...

Would make for an Added Creepy-iness to
Weathertop in FOTR.

WE ONLY got to see a
TINY bit of
THEM in their GhostWORLD..Guise?

When the WKing stabbed Frodo...
SSOoo.
Seeing ALL of them..GHOST Form in Battle, would be
Something NEW!

Also, What you suppose WE will SEE in
how? they Flee with Sauron

The Enemy leaving for Mordor Also,
needs some time on Screen.

DG will totally a "Top-Knotch Secret" sooo..far

bom
Crazy

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2014, 2:43pm

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Anything more to come first in DOS EE?... [In reply to] Can't Post

Like, seeing what happened to Gandalf last, before he wakes up caged with the Orcs armies going out?...
Any sign yet that the Dol Guldur scenes of DOS will be more in the EE?

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

(This post was edited by mae govannen on Oct 16 2014, 2:45pm)


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 16 2014, 2:49pm

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I think it will be great to have the skirmish play out among all the pillars, walls, and staircases.

Rubble falling, shadows moving... somethign very different to what we ever saw in these movies.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



(This post was edited by Arannir on Oct 16 2014, 2:50pm)


Kim
Valinor


Oct 17 2014, 3:45am

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Seeing ALL of them..GHOST Form in Battle, would be
Something NEW!



I don't know if this has already been discussed as I haven't been following the DG discussions too closely, but it just occurred to me, if the elves exist in both worlds, how will they see the Ringwraiths? And how would the Ringwraiths see them? Maybe we'll see the battle partly from the point of view of the wizards, and partly from the elves? That would be interesting.



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Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 17 2014, 5:37am

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I don't think Gandalf will be able to do anything at this stage... [In reply to] Can't Post

Most likely Sauron would have tortured him and he would have been physically very weak during the time of the rescue; the part where Galadriel kisses his forehead suggests that....

Or it may be possible that Galadriel sent images to Gandalf that she is coming to help him (just like she sent images to Frodo to see)...

GOM


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2014, 6:19am

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Could be great, yes!...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2014, 7:51am

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"Sending of images"? [In reply to] Can't Post

Please, could you elaborate? What are you alluding to?

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 17 2014, 10:38am

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What I meant..as far as the movie goes... [In reply to] Can't Post

When Frodo in Return of the King (he sees an image of Galadriel helping him; helping him up).

Galadriel talking to Gandalf then suddenly vanishing (most likely it was in his mind), other than that Galadriel can move at super speed...lol

Galadriel sharing images with Elrond during a narrative regarding Isengard, etc.....Elrond wasn't there....


Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 17 2014, 10:54am

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Here you go,... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anqTSca3uuY

Of course, this could just be on Frodo's mind for all we know...


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2014, 2:32pm

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Oh yes, now I know what you mean, [In reply to] Can't Post

of course; the only problem for me was the terminology you used, which was not the one I would have used, that's all...!!!
Thank you for your kind and patient explanations! Smile

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

(This post was edited by mae govannen on Oct 17 2014, 2:34pm)


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2014, 2:39pm

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This is really nice of you, GoM [In reply to] Can't Post

to have even provided me with this beautiful example I myself love so much... I didn't know it existed on Youtube. Now I have the link to it, that's great!!!
All my smiling gratitude to you! Heart

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

(This post was edited by mae govannen on Oct 17 2014, 2:40pm)


Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Oct 18 2014, 11:42am

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Your Welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

It didn't take much searching really, Google is telepathic like the Elves (lol)

 
 

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