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Loresilme
Valinor
Sep 18 2014, 5:10pm
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"... scraping gum off a boot" - that's priceless! That's exactly how contemptuous and dismissive he sounds!
Apparently Thorin doesn't like Men any more than he likes Elves, does he  .
Ah well, we have The Voice though. The one with such resonance that I'm sure it has overtones in at least twelve different dimensions  .
*Hits replay and goes directly to 1:05*
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ghost_matt
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Sep 18 2014, 5:17pm
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The EE came out on my birthday last year
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And this year it's coming out the day before. I already requested both days off. :D
I'm betting we will not see Thrain give Gandalf the map and key, since Gandalf already has Glamdring. He's probably only in the movie to explain how Azog/the Necromancer knew the dwarves were trying to take back Erebor.
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Faleel
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Sep 18 2014, 5:38pm
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It has been said that Thrain gives Gandalf the map and Key in Moria during a flashback at the beginning of the film.
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Mooseboy018
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Sep 18 2014, 5:39pm
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The stuff with Thrain in Dol Guldur is going to happen before Gandalf's ambushed by Azog, so this isn't playing out like the book. I think his role is more about the danger to Thorin if he tries to retake Erebor and the fate of the last dwarf ring.
We could get a scene with Thrain giving Gandalf the map and key in a flashback at Bree. It would just take somewhere else (possibly Moria) since they changed some of the events surrounding Thrain's story.
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Elessar
Valinor
Sep 18 2014, 5:41pm
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I thought it was really cool and loved seeing some of the new moments. I'm looking to see if I can get a real good look at Thrain's eye. Its a strange change to make but in the end I'm not going to fret about it.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Sep 18 2014, 6:36pm
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Also noticed that the trailer seems to indicate that footage of both actors is used...
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The trailer uses the footage that we've seen countless times of Gandalf and Thrain fighting, where Thrain is obviously a different actor in different make-up from Sher, who is shown speaking to Gandalf.
Sorry, but that's sloppy. I don't know what other word to use.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 18 2014, 8:49pm
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There's only one eye that matters....
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Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Sep 18 2014, 9:04pm
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I've received a request for a transcript of the EE trailer, so here it is:
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Voiceover: On November 4th
Dori: Was that an earthquake?
Balin: That, my lad, was a dragon.
VO: You haven't seen the whole adventure until you've seen the Extended Edition
Thrain: Thorin must not go near Erebor!
Bard: You have no right to enter that mountain.
Thorin: I have the only right.
VO: With 25 extra minutes not seen in theaters
Master of Laketown: Either our little friends return triumphant, or old Smaug dines on dwarf for a day or two.
Smaug: I am King Under the Mountain.
VO: Including 9 hours of special features that take you deeper into the adventure
Bilbo: What is this place?
Thorin: This, Master Baggins, is the world of Men.
Beorn: They will hunt the dwarves until they see them destroyed.
VO: Before you see the final Hobbit movie in theaters....
Bilbo: What have we done?
VO: ...be the first to own The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Extended Edition. On Digital HD on October 21st. On Blu-ray November 4th.
Silverlode
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Vila
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Sep 18 2014, 9:27pm
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Thank you very much Silverlode!
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 18 2014, 9:44pm
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Think Thorin feels OK about the race of humans - more or less + THAT VOICE
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As all the dwarves seem to, IMO. Balin & co. seem to readily deal with Bard at the river, and Thorin isn't radiating hostility - Thorin, Dwalin and the dwarves are tense, obviously, but there doesn't seen to be what I would think of as outright antipathy. The dwarves to me seemed relatively comfortable when dealing with humans, more so than elves *in general* tho Kili and Fili seem comfortable enough with all.
Plus the secretive dwarves aren't being all THAT forthright. And I always wonder about the untold backstories - did Thorin or any of the dwarves ever work in Esgaroth after Erebor fell - and did it bother Thorin, over the years, seeing the sad degeneration of a town he knew, after the flow of wealth to the town ended? How DO dwarves feel about humans in general, when there are similarities in culture? Or is our tallness and "busyness" and crowded and often messy cities something of a strain for dwarves from a cultural perspective? e.g. they are willing to trade and hang out with people, but they don't want to LIVE with them.
Maybe Thorin and co. view humans as "alright" - trading partners, allies, maybe even friends of a sort in the right circumstances, tho guess humans never fell over themselves helping the dwarves. *Grins* just another thing I'd love to kick back with Richard Armitage with, and hear his views, as he did so much research and is well-read, thoughtful, and so intelligent.
PS. - and yes, yes, YES - that VOICE . Since I wasn't familiar with RA it will always be a HAPPY  memory for me, getting chills from the AUJ trailers ("I would take each and every one of these dwarves over the mightiest army. Loyalty. Honor. A willing heart...I can ask no more than that..."). Sometimes I still replay those trailers just to hear Thorin talk. And having my jaw drop during AUJ. No wonder Philippa Boyens seems to view RA's voice work with a tinge of awe (and RA is so nice in the WETA books, talking about what a great compliment it was, as they actually began writing for the character after "getting to know Thorin better").
I would have, I would have thrown out whatever script I had and started re-writing for that achingly magnificent voice. Because RA has said "he didn't have Thorin's voice down" immediately which to me means PJ & co. REALLY didn't know the kind of vision and talent they had hired, until cameras and rehearsals really started getting underway. And if I had been PJ & co. watching playbacks for the first time, I would have been doing a happy dance and popping the champagne, knowing THEN the casting of a major role was beyond perfection. Because I have to think, you never know in this business.
I mean you could cast someone who is "serviceable" and does a credible job, but finding out you've cast someone off-the-charts spectacular must be something pretty cheering. Anyway, if I ever met PJ and co. that's one of the first things that would come out of my mouth - thanking him for Martin Freeman and Richard Armitage as Bilbo and Thorin. (PS. And no-one is allowed to talk around me when Thorin is talking!)
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 18 2014, 11:01pm
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PS to my own post - RA tweet re Asian cosplayers
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Very, very cool - Thorin and Dwalin! These cosplayers are awesome and badass
Don't know how much of this work is from Asian artists or Asian-inspired, but love the GLOBAL universal appeal of these films and the dwarves (seems Thorin in particular at times) - but of course!
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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painjoiker
Grey Havens
Sep 18 2014, 11:56pm
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Sher-Thrain may be digitally added on top of the old Thrain.
I would assume that they use the same scenes, but with the new Thrain added on top
Vocalist in the melodic metal band Betomast
and the progressive doom rock band Mater Thallium
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Gandy
Bree
Sep 19 2014, 12:20am
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It has been said that Thrain gives Gandalf the map and Key in Moria during a flashback at the beginning of the film.
If they show that, then it's time for Mr. Shore to break out his ultimate variation of this ear heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYS5W4jnAt8
If the movie opens with this theme, I'll already be in tears. And certainly if it gets adapted as a dwarf theme during the battle. Man oh man that would be glorious.
As for Thrain's eye, that sure looks like an eye. Bizarre, if so.
My theory is, Thrain has the dragon sickness as we all know, so he loves shiny gems of any color. Somewhere during his imprisonment and loss of more sanity, he found a dark pretty gem. It is the perfect fit for his eye socket so he inserts it and has a gem for a false eye. In his mind he is seeing the world sparkle thru the gem vision and is content.
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Kim
Valinor
Sep 19 2014, 2:01am
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I think you'll find you're in good company here.  That line caught my ear too - has a similar vibe to "That, Master Burglar, is why you are here." 
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Kim
Valinor
Sep 19 2014, 2:41am
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With the crown! *Adds to wish list*
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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Sep 19 2014, 11:13am
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I have to say, even seeing the Lego of Thorin as King Under the Mountain warms my heart. Even if he's king only for a little while...
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 19 2014, 4:19pm
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I got it! I got it! To show his SUPREME POWER and to get Thrain to come to the DARK SIDE, the Necromancer gives Thrain an eyeball, which leads an independent life of its own and from time to time rolls out of DG to hit some pubs and ogle elven girls
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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PredatoR
Bree
Sep 19 2014, 4:25pm
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I do not understand where you see the eyeball? I don't see it at all and it has a scar on the face.
and people can make more tatoos in time!
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 19 2014, 4:30pm
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Agreed - the King Under the Mountain returns and is home
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I have to say, even seeing the Lego of Thorin as King Under the Mountain warms my heart. Even if he's king only for a little while... I've felt like that since the Company arrived at Erebor, thinking back the look on Thorin's face on the carrock as he looked across at Erebor. He wanted so badly to get home *sigh*. So if nothing else, Thorin is HOME and to me IS the King Under the Mountain - and the defender of still-beautiful Erebor. And he is magnificent.
*That which is dead will never die*
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 19 2014, 4:35pm
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Well I really don't know either
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Seriously. Haven't paid a lot of attention to this, but there's a side by side pic around online of AUJ Thrain where there is skin over the eye, and the DOS Thrain where it looks like a socket. Which to me would make sense that a fragile closed part of skin would get torn during capture and torture re Thrain.
But haven't really looked hard so far.....
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Earl
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Sep 19 2014, 9:57pm
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It's not a socket in DOS, it's an eyeball :)
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He goes from having skin over his eye (presumably his eyelid covering an empty socket) in AUJ, to having an eyeball in DOS.
Maybe Sauron necromanced just his eyeball for the fun of it 
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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 19 2014, 10:48pm
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we have not seen the EYE, preciousssss
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But will keep searching .....
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Earl
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Sep 19 2014, 11:27pm
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I'm pretty sure I saw the eye in one pic
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I'll post the link as soon as I find it.
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Earl
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Sep 20 2014, 12:31am
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It's the same pic as the one you posted, albeit larger.
Link
If you brighten up your screen, you can pretty clearly see he has both eyes.
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