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The correct way to use the word "family" in Dwarf Runes

Gruntbuddy
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Sep 14 2014, 4:19pm

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Greetings everyone! Sorry if I posted this on the wrong topic.

In celebration of the final Hobbit film and my love for LOTR I want to get the word "family" tattooed on my arm in Dwarf Runes. My only problem is finding the correct Runes because my fear is to one day find out I mistranslated my tattoo.

I also was not to sure if I should translate the Runes into English or Khuzdul/Neo-Khuzdul. Thank you for your help and time!


Elarie
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Sep 17 2014, 2:01pm

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There are some web pages that might help you (links below). The Tolkien Gateway and Heirs of Durin have rune information and links. Also, Tolkien used different rune systems in the Hobbit and LOTR; In The Hobbit he used a real, historical rune alphabet - the Anglo Saxon futhark, and just transliterated the letters into the English language. In the Lord of the Rings, he created a new rune system and the history and languages to go with it, so you have to decide which system you want to use. That's about all the help I can give you, I'm afraid. Transliterating the Anglo Saxon futhark runes into the equivalent English letter sounds would be pretty easy, but if you want the Khuzdul language I'm afraid I'm lost.

Another interesting aspect of runes is that each rune by itself has a meaning, so in the Elder futhark (the one I've been trying to learn) the 'wunjo' rune by itself means "joy" specifically in the sense of being part of a family or community, so just using that rune by itself conveys a lot of meaning related to the idea of family.

Anyway, good luck with your tattoo, and if you get interested in runes there are some very interesting books on the market. It's a little confusing because there are several historical rune alphabets, some of the written records were "Christianized" during the Middle Ages, and different modern authors interpret things differently, but it's still a very fascinating subject. I've just finished embroidering my first set of runic staves (my own interpretation of the traditional carved wooden staves) and it's a lot of fun, so enjoy your rune quest.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rune

http://thorinoakenshield.net/...-unexpected-journey/

Smile

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Gruntbuddy
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Nov 5 2014, 8:29pm

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Very late reply but ive been thinking about the tattoo and I decided to use basic anglo saxon version of the runes for easy translation. I decided to use either the word "family" or "kinship" and so far im drawing more towards "kinship". What are your thoughts on using that word? I made this image and just used a translator online and im worried the ruins might not be all correct. Can you check these and let me know if I translated these correctly? thank you!
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Gruntbuddy
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Nov 5 2014, 9:01pm

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I tried using different fonts and comparing it to the chart that's on http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rune
and I like this cleaner look however the "k" and "p" rune are slightly different and I'm confused as to why it's like that. I attached a picture of that one as well. Anyone know why this is?
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Elarie
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Nov 6 2014, 1:07am

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As far as the differences in the 'k' and 'p' runes that you are noticing, I think that these are just variations in how the runes were written in different geographic locations. I'm looking at Edred Thorsson's "Runelore" book, and his charts at the back of the book for each of the major rune alphabets have columns next to each rune that show variations in how each rune was written. Sometimes the variations are tiny, but other times they are so different that they look like completely different runes to me, which I think is pretty confusing.

And about your earlier post, the rune translator you used seems to match the lists that I'm looking at. I wish I could be more help, but I'm definitely just an amateur beginner who has looked through just enough stuff to realize that runes are way more complicated than I ever imagined. Good luck with figuring out your tattoo, though. It would be great if you would post an image of it sometime when it's all done. I'm sure there are lots of people here on TORN who would love to see it.

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Gruntbuddy
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Nov 6 2014, 2:05am

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Thank you for the reply Elarie! I came to the decision to use the first one as it matches the original Tolkien map from The Hobbit book. I will defiantly post the tattoo once its done as well Smile ! thanks again for all the help!

 
 

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