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Bombadil
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Aug 28 2014, 5:06am
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PLOT Questionzzz... for the Final Film?
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HOW does the WK get his Morgul Blade
BACK?
SOoo..he can Stab Frodo with it?
(presumed THAT? )
... Gandalf MUST have IT
On Him @ Dol Guldur...
IS it
IT IN
his "TALL ..Pointy" HAT?
2..Bizzz-arroMundo WednesdayNight
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Aug 28 2014, 8:40am
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A Morgul blade not THE Morgul blade.
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He could easily have a reserve. 
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 28 2014, 8:43am
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In the AUJ EE coments by Philipa and PJ they state that its the SAME blade
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that goes back to its master in the third film. But this could be like the whole thing about Thrain, In the end it couldn´t be shown at all, at all
The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Aug 28 2014, 8:46am
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Well this trilogy really has alot of unanswered questions. I feel like that is it's #1 weakness.
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 28 2014, 8:48am
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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true
Survivor to the battle for the fifth trailer
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Aug 28 2014, 8:50am
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I hope we get an indepth look into the whole writting/cutting process come BotFA EE.
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
Aug 28 2014, 5:03pm
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Then it must go back in spirit
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that goes back to its master in the third film. But this could be like the whole thing about Thrain, In the end it couldn´t be shown at all, at all
Because it disintegrated in Aragorn's hand when he picked it up, and I don't think Aragorn used any magic to make that happen. Then again, maybe THAT'S how he gets it back???
Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Aug 28 2014, 5:38pm
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I am looking forward to seeing how they do it!
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The whole High Fells/ Nazgul sub-plot seems to have been curtailed in the last film, so I am hoping for an exciting and satisfying wrap-up that answers all the Nazgul/High Fells/ Thrain questions.
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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Bishop
Gondor
Aug 29 2014, 12:44am
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Does Gandalf have it on him? That would seem like a horrible decision, and not one that I would expect him to make. Then again, he walked into a fight with Sauron ill prepared and, well, for no reason (at least as far as I can tell).
I wouldn't be surprised if they heavy-handedly played up Saruman's path towards evil, who secretly brings the blade with him. He isn't any more amiable a character in AUJ than he was when first introduced in FOTR; it wouldn't be a huge leap to have him meddling in evil doings this early in the game.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Aug 29 2014, 4:15am
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Bishop!... in thinking about your post for a few hours
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MAY it BE?
Gandalf hands The
Blade To Radagast
BEFORE... venturing into Dol Guldur &
HE takes IT...to Galadriel?
"Tell HER about what we Discovered in the High Fells"? AND (&)
SHE Realizezz. Gandalf is in GRAVE danger..&
SHE.
Summons Saruman &
Elrond..&
...THEY
Converge to Rescue Gandalf...,&
THEN
THEY
THROW down Dol Guldur? &
Find Thrain, there, dead...
.....................
BUT? what about the
BLADE getting..
BACK ..to the WKing?
bomby would rather you?...
FINE people
FILL in the
BLANKS
Thatzzz what an OP.. does..
(Allowzz. you to do WHAT? W/ your own thinking?, then Post here on TORn...)
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Sep 1 2014, 1:54pm
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". played up Saruman's path towards evil, who secretly brings the blade with him.".
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Bingo! (Possible spoilerzz ahead...)
The Last time we saw It
WAzzz
@ the White Council...
sooo maybe he "Volunteered?"
to Hide the Blade
in Orthanc?
"..SSOoo...He could (*cough*)
STUDY IT"?
...along with his Library of "Ring Lore"
(would be Cool to see the inside of Orthanc again..?)
(Short Scene)
He Holds UP the Blade (without Touching IT)
in Front of His Palantir?
to Show Sauron?..
He hazzz.. the Blade?
Sauron MAKES
him bring IT
to Dol Guldur...
The WitchKING
Suprizezzz.. Saruman
BINGO!
Possible,
Probable?
May IT be,
Yes or NO
P.S. There are No" Plot Holes"
in PJzzz head?
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Arannir
Valinor
Sep 1 2014, 2:19pm
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He both forces the WC to act and can potentially get information concerning Sauron's plans .
I do hope this will be elaborated on in Bot5A... Gandalf's "it is undoubtedly a trap" is a strong indication though, imho.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Bofur01
Lorien
Sep 1 2014, 3:38pm
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I thought they confirmed in a WETA book...
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That they filmed a scene with Elrond chucking the blade into the WiKI's tomb?
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Sep 1 2014, 8:16pm
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And I think the best inference we came up with from that quote...
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...was that it must have been a flashback of the WiKi's "burial" cut from the White Council scene in AUJ, since Weta would only have needed to make a "newer" version of the blade for a scene taking place in an earlier period of time.
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
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Bishop
Gondor
Sep 2 2014, 9:18pm
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I didn't see a reason he should attack without some kind of plan. It seems extremely reckless; he knows it's a trap, goes in alone, loses his staff, and very nearly gets killed. Whatever his plan is, it's pretty bad.
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Arannir
Valinor
Sep 2 2014, 9:21pm
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Which is the explanation I hope will come in Bot5A. Not just for Gandalf entering but also for Sauron not destroying his body right away.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Bishop
Gondor
Sep 2 2014, 10:45pm
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But if his goal was to get information
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Why march into the place and demand the enemy show itself? Wouldn't he want to be covert perhaps? Radagast has animals reporting information to him. Why not send some birds in or something?
Also, I can't believe that getting chased, beaten up, losing his staff and being captured was part of the plan. That would require one to believe that he intentionally lost the fight.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Sep 3 2014, 12:08am
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Not really Gandalf's style, though.
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Aside from that, there isn't any way he could know exactly how powerful Sauron was at that time or how many troops he had amassed, and he does hedge his bets to ensure the WC will know what is happening, even if he fails to elude the trap.
But, as I say, I don't think it's really Gandalf's style to avoid risk. After all, in both the books and the films he chucks himself up against the Nazgul on numerous occasions, risks the Balrog twice, risks Dol Guldur three times, plans to defeat a dragon (somehow) and plans to go right into Mordor. I don't think knowing there was risk to himself would put him off trying to find out exactly what was going on and attempting to put a stop to it.
That said, there is also the fact that the outcomes of Dol Guldur differ in the text and the film - in the book we want to find it reasonable he got in and out several times, in the film we want to find it reasonable he was captured.
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Arannir
Valinor
Sep 3 2014, 9:00am
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... he seems to have underestimated Sauron. He took a large risk, imho. And him getting information does not seem to work as well as he may have hoped. In the book he also takes a risk in entering Dol Guldur (twice). Of course, we don't know much about it and Gandalf suspected a Nazgul in there at first (actually something I would have liked the filmmakers to keep, with Saigon being a true surprise for Gandalf - though in the book he has a growing suspicion as well because of the rising power within DG).
What he does achieve is forcing his "colleagues" to act. And force Sauron to fully reveal himself.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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