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It seems it was used in later times, not just stored away. Maybe.

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Aug 26 2014, 2:21pm


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As usual with the silmarils, Tolkien plays fast and loose here. According to the quote given from the end of that chapter, men continued to use the stone, but only those of 'strong will' were able to wrest it away from its default vision of Denethor's horrific passing.

I have always interpreted 'strong will' here to mean Elessar, whose will bested that of Sauron himself in using the Orthanc stone (at a great cost in spirit, to be sure). Possibly the statement implies that the King's heirs used it also; possibly the statement implies that other strong-willed men, such as Faramir and his kin, managed to make use of it for its intended purpose of seeing something other than burning hands. Who then were the 'other men' who tried but failed to turn the stone to distance-seeing? According to the later-composed and unpublished notes in the Unfinished Tales essay on the silmarils, previous royal practice had included a corps of officials who were 'stewards' of the stones, using them and informing the Kings of what was communicated or discovered. Perhaps Elessar revived this practice only to discover that such men were, as stated, unable to overcome the visual curse.

Near the end of the book, Aragorn cryptically remarks to the hobbits that they would not like what they would see in the Tirith-stone, were they to take it back to the Shire to keep up their relationship with the King. This suggests that he has already discovered the glitch! As he puts it in this later chapter, only the Orthanc-stone is really usable now -- which seems to contradict the above analysis of the "strong wills could use it" comment from the earlier chapter. Maybe he was judging that the effort wasn't going to be worth it, compared to the ease of using Saruman's stone; or that the Tirith-stone would be reserved for emergency communication only (with Eomer? Faramir?), while he would use the good stone continuously as he says, to survey his kingdom.



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Question on the Anor-stone Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 25 2014, 5:38pm
    The only reference I know of.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 26 2014, 2:50am
        Thanks Silverlode Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 26 2014, 3:28am
            It seems it was used in later times, not just stored away. Maybe. squire Send a private message to squire Aug 26 2014, 2:21pm
                I bet somebody wanted it as a centerpiece on his dining table. Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Aug 26 2014, 11:22pm
                More Stone Supposition . . . Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 27 2014, 12:54am
                    just a couple of observations about hobbits and strength of will Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Aug 27 2014, 1:10am
                        A keg of ale, and a barrel of breaded veal cutlets? // sador Send a private message to sador Aug 27 2014, 3:54am
                            or... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Aug 27 2014, 12:32pm
                        Some say "Why?" Maciliel says "Why not?" Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 27 2014, 12:24pm
                    Hobbiton in trouble Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Aug 27 2014, 4:01am
                I've often wondered grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 27 2014, 9:32am
                    Me too gramma Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 27 2014, 12:57pm
                        Right acheron Send a private message to acheron Aug 27 2014, 3:11pm
                            You make sense to me... Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 27 2014, 4:02pm
                            Why do I suddenly grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 28 2014, 12:48am
                            I believe Saruman had the right to his stone. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 28 2014, 2:46am
                                However, in the essay on the palantíri in UT, Tolkien suggests otherwise Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 28 2014, 3:09am
                                    Good point.// Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 28 2014, 3:22am
                                    Suggests, sure, but doesn't explain squire Send a private message to squire Aug 28 2014, 3:40am
                                        The bigger the Tale, the more there is to leave unexplained Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 28 2014, 3:59am
                                        How about . . Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Aug 28 2014, 2:33pm
                                            Rights and duties extend down the line to fiefs and councilors, too. squire Send a private message to squire Aug 29 2014, 2:08am
                                                Thank you, squire. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 29 2014, 6:42am
                                                    I'm not sure that it follows that just because Saruman was given Isengard, he was given authority to use the Stone Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 29 2014, 4:05pm
                                                And yet.... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Aug 29 2014, 7:06am
                                                    Lack of need? Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 29 2014, 7:20am
                                                    Yikes, I forgot the timeline! squire Send a private message to squire Aug 29 2014, 12:57pm
                                                        magnificent at detail level, too, much of the time a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Aug 29 2014, 4:29pm
                                                        What did they know, and when did they know it? Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 29 2014, 7:15pm
                                    oh, thanks for that quote acheron Send a private message to acheron Aug 28 2014, 1:33pm

 
 
 

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