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Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part X
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Kerewyn
Rohan


Aug 25 2014, 3:18am

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     Photo feedback [In reply to]  

Those be photos from the Comic Con shoot, surely. Same outfit and hair as when interviewed by Josh H, actually one of my favourite RL looks of his.

Lurker, you need to update the LP ‘checklist’ to insert nekkid back-view Ronan for the broad shoulders bit. The broadest!

Heh –in that gif of LP and his sis – the split second her face appeared, I thought ‘Calpurnia’!



"Thou speakest of thralldom. If thralldom it be, thou canst not escape it..."


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Aug 25 2014, 6:33am

Post #177 of 207 (1380 views)
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     My theory [In reply to]  

is that it's Thorin's proximity to the One via Bilbo that exacerbated/caused the dragon sickness Smile

The 7 dwarf rings failed in that the bearers weren't able to be taken under dominion with Sauron, but they increased the natural gold lust that dwarves were already inclined to.

So if the 7 lesser dwarf rings could increase gold lust, and the One corrupts even those who are near the bearer, then why would Thorin be an exception to it? He was near the One from the Misty Mountains all the way to Erebor, then was surrounded by gold. Seems to me that the One is as good of an explanation as any (also keeps to the idea of Thror possessing the last of the 7, then Thrain going mad after HE had the last of the 7, which was finally taken from him in Dol Guldur).

In fact, the proximity to the One seems to me to be the best explanation for Thorin's gold sickness we have yet (well, that and the traditional idea of a dragon hoard having an inherent addictive quality to it present in many fantasy works). It could also explain his redemption too- when he exiled Bilbo, he was no longer in the presence of the ring, and thus its effects wore off him just in time for the battle Smile

I feel that the reason the Arkenstone specifically set him off is because his personal value of it was beyond even that of gold- and the One knows hearts' desires and promises the bearers that (this is in line with the books, where the One tempts Samwise in the way of a garden that could rival none other). So if Thorin's heart's desire was the Arkenstone, and that was what he valued above all else deep down, the One would likely bring that particular desire to the forefront.

Add dwarf legacy and natural affinity toward shiny things, as well as hatred of elves, and you've got a serious case of dragon sickness/gold lust stemming from that ring Cool



Elciryamo
Rivendell


Aug 25 2014, 6:58am

Post #178 of 207 (1486 views)
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     Quick response about sword work [In reply to]  

My wife asked me about Thranduil's offset fighting style, based partially upon this thread. In part, due to her encouragement, and my love of studying sword fighting, I will share a little of what I know. Please, don't take this as expert opinion, but rather some things that I have learned.

First of all, the off hand reverse grip is becoming such a cliche in fiction that only the fact that it is an Elf doing it am I willing to give it a pass. Being a Star Wars fan as well, the reverse grip was used in Clone Wars by Anakin, Ahsoka, and in various video games and the like.

However, there are some practical reasons for using the reverse grip, though more so with a single bladed sword than a lightsaber ;)

First of all, the sword will serve in place of the shield, as the off hand (non-dominant) would normally hold a shield. Instead, having the blade reversed prevents cutting oneself if using the blade to parry an attack. The unsharpended side would rest against the forearm, and provide some protection in blocking blows.

Second of all, the fight stance is suited towards quick combat, which seems to be both Thranduil's and Legolas' style. In essence, every move is a strike, and reminds me of Eastern martial arts, which often moves from block-attack, block-attack, in one motion. For instance, a quick martial arts move, for me, is to have my left arm extended and right drawn back. I would block with my left and immediately attack with my right. There is no hesitation and the move must be quick to effective.

In a similar vein, Thranduil could block, parry the blow and immediately attack, block and attack again. It would be a very cyclic style of fighting, involving quick, one-two moves.

It also has the benefit of being very active, and a style that requires a lot of movement, but can deal with attacks from multiple sides.

I am looking forward to seeing it fully in action!

Links:

Thranduil takes down an Orc with two blows


This one shows Thranduil taking down one Orc, and already parrying a second with the other blade. His sword from the first attack will be free to finish it off


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 12:07pm

Post #179 of 207 (1360 views)
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     *spectate the great Avandel zipabout* [In reply to]  

Even Thranduil is amazed at her speed.



I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 12:17pm

Post #180 of 207 (1358 views)
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     oooh... [In reply to]  


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Now picture that with silver long hair, pointy ears and sassy outfit, and that could totally be a TH pose.

nice! Reminds me of this:





I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 1:00pm

Post #181 of 207 (1354 views)
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     *nerd on* Great topic, VValar [In reply to]  

Thranduil of course has BEST HAIR OF MIDDLE-EARTH, even though misguided others with poor eyesight and high night-vision impairment can't SEE Pirate But that's all right. We KNOW the truthEvilTongue




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Why do Thranduil and Legolas seem to differ (moviewise) in hair colour?

LP and Peter Swords King have said Thranduil's hair is ash-blond, platinum blond etc. Particularly Peter King who have said the idea is to distinguish Thranduil, even from Legolas. I can't find the quotes though, sorry.


But book-wise...

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In general, the Vanyar were golden-haired, and other Elves (including the Noldor, Sindar, and Avari) had dark (brown) or even black hair, although some of the Teleri, including Celeborn, had silver hair (.....) Additionally, a silver hair colour existed in the royal houses of the Sindar, with Thingol, Círdan and Celeborn all described as having silver hair.


Seeing Thranduil is Teleri, and there is no record of Teleri Elves having golden hair, it would seem that he is related to the royal house of the Sindar for he indeed does share the same trait of having silver hair.

Yup. Good point too!. Though "although some of the Teleri, including Celeborn, had silver hair" + "Additionally, a silver hair colour existed in the royal houses of the Sindar, with Thingol, Círdan and Celeborn all described as having silver hair" are good enough explanation for me to accept Thranduil's silvery crowning gloryHeart We're on the same pageSmile And thanks so much for the reading rec. That was a really well thought out and researched article. Much love!

re Legolas. Well, imo I would guess he would inherit from daddy, but there are some who think the idea of Legolas having golden hair is just misinterpretation.

I should stop before I put my foot in it or get in trouble with the thought police. Tongue


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 1:06pm

Post #182 of 207 (1344 views)
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     They are! [In reply to]  


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Those be photos from the Comic Con shoot, surely. Same outfit and hair as when interviewed by Josh H, actually one of my favourite RL looks of his.

Yup! There's the series that lovely b&w side profile portrait that thudded Avandel came from. I need to find the series linkie again Evil


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Lurker, you need to update the LP ‘checklist’ to insert nekkid back-view Ronan for the broad shoulders bit. The broadest!

Hee... Lemme see what I can do HeartAngelic



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Heh –in that gif of LP and his sis – the split second her face appeared, I thought ‘Calpurnia’!

I still feel disturbed he can be prettier and womanlier than I can ever be, but yes, feel slightly less imbalanced in the head to see his sis there cos I "get it" now.Smile


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

=======
Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 1:25pm

Post #183 of 207 (1363 views)
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     Fan PS: Bilbo presents that stone to Bard and Thranduil [In reply to]  

Thought this looks interesting, but Bard's expression is just too... emo ain't it?



I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

=======
Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 25 2014, 1:27pm

Post #184 of 207 (1349 views)
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     Kerewyn, this one's for you [In reply to]  

Definition of a BLT Smile


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn)
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

=======
Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 25 2014, 2:51pm

Post #185 of 207 (1345 views)
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     I like this series too! [In reply to]  

Happy you liked these - I loved the other longer art I tripped over as well, but I really want to get my hands on a larger version. Those originals tho seem to lead to a website in an Eastern European language and not sure yet how to go fartherFrown.

But at least the "autumn" image and others are all accessible on Deviant Art (not that artists don't deserve to be paid for their work - and I will if I like the piece enough and *cough* can afford itUnsure)

"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.

Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.




Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 25 2014, 3:09pm

Post #186 of 207 (1340 views)
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     Um, no.... [In reply to]  

For one thing, not sure why Bard would be glaring. For another, the first thing that popped into my head is that Bilbo looks like he is offering a Tasty Kake to a squalling two-year old re his expression.



Or possibly a cat treat.



Nice try, tho. Just tells me folks are DESPERATE for BOFA.....Cool


ltnjmy
Rivendell


Aug 25 2014, 5:33pm

Post #187 of 207 (1313 views)
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     sweet [In reply to]  

he looks so fineBlush glad he did the Ice Bucket Challenge. It is for a very good cause. I lost my mother to Lou Gehrig's disease - - she was in a coma from 1987 until she passed away in 1993 (only 54 yrs young)...


VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 7:18pm

Post #188 of 207 (1284 views)
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     Very cute little chibi Thorin [In reply to]  

And beautiful artwork of Mirkwood Heart


VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 7:20pm

Post #189 of 207 (1316 views)
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     Nice artwork :) [In reply to]  

Indeed very beautiful artwork of Thranduil in autumn Heart

Oh and I agree about the actual expressions of Elrond and Lindir when they found out about the Dwarfs... priceless Wink


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Aug 25 2014, 7:24pm

Post #190 of 207 (1317 views)
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     Just now saw this! [In reply to]  

SQUEEEEE! Thanks dernwyn! And thanks to LP for showing off those arms!LaughLaugh

"Home is behind the world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.

Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade"



Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 25 2014, 7:26pm

Post #191 of 207 (1296 views)
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     zipabout - I follow my king(s) [In reply to]  

So Zen....








This is beautifulHeartHeartHeart



"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.

Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.




VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 7:36pm

Post #192 of 207 (1311 views)
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     About the hair [In reply to]  

Thanks for your reply on the question of the haircolour.

Interesting theory about Thranduil being a chameleon in his surroundings. It's true that his haircolour seems to change from scene to scene. I hadn't linked it to the clothes he wears at the moment, great movie find!



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And here in the snow, white and silver – both the silver of snow glimmer and of armour, with the blueness of cold climate carried through in his garment.

Oh yes, and he looks sooooooo cute in them Heart What gem do you mean?




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But I like this. I do note they didn’t think along those lines for Celeborn’s look though. I believe his hair IIRC was light brown or honey blonde.


Celeborn had silver/grey hair in the LotR





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That is one seriously interesting blog post you linked to! I’ve had to speed-read a little while at work, but am bookmarking it for more intense study later. I particularly like the brief analysis of Thranduil’s name, and the meaning of “kindred” in the text.


Glad I could have been of any service Smile




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Well I do – I’ve met the guy, at a very small and casual con in Australia. Smile


You have no idea how cool you just sounded Cool


VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 7:40pm

Post #193 of 207 (1278 views)
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     Good find [In reply to]  

I like your theory. It could very well be that Bilbo's ring could have affected Thorin (in a bad way) concerning his gold/dragon sickness. At least it sure would not have helped him Evil


VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 7:53pm

Post #194 of 207 (1335 views)
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     Pleasure reading about your swordfighting analysis [In reply to]  

I feel like a kid in the candystore today, with several people all sharing their wonderful theory's about our HeartElf kingHeart
I'm not a Star Wars fan, so this type of fighting seemed new and pretty bad-ass to me. I had fun reading your informative analysis. The part of the reverse grip makes much sense, as well as the fight stance. So basically you're saying dude's a total killing machine? Cool


VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 8:10pm

Post #195 of 207 (1316 views)
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     Pretty Silver/Golden(?) hair [In reply to]  

 
He has such amazing hair. And of course much more silkier, smooth and ever-glowing than the curly, scruffy hair of his Dwarven companion.
Even the hair department at TH can't stop touching it.




And you're welcome for the article Smile I found your link very interesting as well. I still root for the 'blond team' of Legolas. I think it gives him just that little bit extra. Plus I like the fact that he resembles much of his father this way.


Btw, found this cute pic



VValar
Gondor


Aug 25 2014, 8:15pm

Post #196 of 207 (1285 views)
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     Yeah it's a peculiar photoshop [In reply to]  


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For another, the first thing that popped into my head is that Bilbo looks like he is offering a Tasty Kake to a squalling two-year old re his expression.



*lol* yes I see it now, your description totally suits Bilbo's facial expression.


PS, Wounded Thorin pic!
http://rafrenzy.files.wordpress.com/...ge-thorin-bloody.png


VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 26 2014, 12:33am

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     UT Tidbits - The Dark Side [In reply to]  

Just one more posting on these, just a little more backstory as we gear up for DOS EE. All taken from Unfinished Tales:

Long before the War of the Alliance, Oropher, King of the Elves east of the Anduin,being disturbed by rumours of the rising power of Sauron, left their ancient dwellings ... three times he had moved northwards and at the end of the 2nd Age, he dwelt in the western glens of Emyn Duir and his numerous people lived and roamed in the woods and vales westward as far as Anduin ...Oropher had the wisdom to foresee that peace would not return unless Sauron was overcome. ...

... But there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow,. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun, and though he knew that it was now broken and deserted and under the vigiliance of the King's of Men, fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered for ever, it would arise again.

The Numerereans in their own lands possessed horses. But they did not use them in war, for all their wars were overseas. ... In their settlements on the shores of Middle-Earth, they acquired and bred horses, but used them little for riding, except in sport an dpleasure. In war, they were used only by couriers, and by bodies of light-armed archers ... In the War of the Alliance such horses as they used suffered great losses ....



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Please, call me Ve.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2014, 1:19am

Post #198 of 207 (1302 views)
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     Think it's DESPAIR, VV *snigger* [In reply to]  

Like maybe a hair priest laying their hands, thinking "ye gawds, there is no VOLUME here and even the signature elven distraction braids just keep falling out, and PJ will fire us if we use rubber bands".


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curly, scruffy hair of his Dwarven companion.

Hmmm. Methinks one has to work very hard to ATTEMPT to denigrate this chocolate sumptuousness:



But sure the 'shrooms and the starvation diet help with delusional thinking. Thankfully, tho, my beloved dwarves were able to beat a hasty retreat out of the back door before they starved to death on rabbit food, with the added bonus of seeing a wet Thorin thrown in gratis.Evil



Note the lush, sumptuous twilight mane, not to mention all the other ASSETS *THUD*HeartHeartHeart. So I suppose, after all, there IS a reason to be thankful to Thranduil. Evil







Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2014, 1:38am

Post #199 of 207 (1279 views)
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     methinks the "herbal-induced truth" [In reply to]  


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We KNOW the truthEvilTongue


*snigger* as long as the wine and 'shrooms don't run out.



Srsly, Thorin's hair is so epic he's often painted from the back. And front. And side....HeartHeartHeart

*Snigger*










Kim
Valinor


Aug 26 2014, 2:51am

Post #200 of 207 (1272 views)
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     Interesting theory Cirashala [In reply to]  

and as you say, as good as any we've discussed so far.

“Will you follow me, one last time?”

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