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kilifili
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Aug 18 2014, 5:49pm
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I simply enjoy these movies without any efford. Of course, the walnut pillow always makes me smile and Legolas glooming eyes are a bit scary, but ... whatever. These movies (and of course the books) are like a home to my heart where I can always return to. Nothing else to say.
“And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country under a swift sunrise.”
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Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan
Aug 18 2014, 11:26pm
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I think that is pretty universal.
But hanging out here you would think they were masterpieces...
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lurtz2010
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Aug 19 2014, 12:21am
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I have no idea where you got that "universal" from.
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DanielLB
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Aug 19 2014, 3:51am
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There's nothing wrong with liking the movies.
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Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are masterpieces.
Just like there is nothing wrong with disliking the movies. Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are terrible movies.
Nothing is universal. Not even across a fandom.
The fact is, we all lie somewhere on the spectrum between good movie/adaptation vs bad movie/adaptation, and no-one else but ourselves occupies a single space on that spectrum. And wherever you sit is okay.
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Elciryamo
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Aug 19 2014, 6:31am
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Though, I think your attitude towards fandom should be universal :)
Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are masterpieces.
Just like there is nothing wrong with disliking the movies. Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are terrible movies.
Nothing is universal. Not even across a fandom.
The fact is, we all lie somewhere on the spectrum between good movie/adaptation vs bad movie/adaptation, and no-one else but ourselves occupies a single space on that spectrum. And wherever you sit is okay.
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Spalko
Rivendell
Aug 19 2014, 7:06am
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Exactly, I couldn't agree more
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The fact is, we all lie somewhere on the spectrum between good movie/adaptation vs bad movie/adaptation, and no-one else but ourselves occupies a single space on that spectrum. And wherever you sit is okay.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 19 2014, 7:16am
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I think this is why some people lash out at people that dislike the movies. When you claim that it's universally accepted that they're terrible movies... well, it's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously at that point.
Whether you like them or not doesn't change the fact that a lot of people (possibly most people) enjoy these movies to some degree. Rotten Tomatoes certainly isn't the end all decision maker when it comes to stating the quality of movie, but the fact they're both rated "fresh" makes it hard to see where this universal terrible-ness is coming from. And that's just one example.
I'd say a movie that is universally (if I had to use that word) accepted to be terrible would be something like the Last Airbender. The Hobbit movies don't even come close to gaining that level of universal (there's that word again) hatred from critics, fans, and casual movie goers.
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Elanor of Rohan
Lorien
Aug 19 2014, 2:34pm
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If I thought these films were horrible
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and I find many films/series terrible or totally uninteresting, I would not be here reading, and sometimes writing posts.
Simply I would not have joined this community (my one and only).
And if I had lost interest in it, or if I had been really disappointed by the Hobbit films, I would have stopped logging on this site...
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Morthoron
Gondor
Aug 19 2014, 5:32pm
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if that is the case, my dear Daniel....
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Then I have fallen off the spectrum altogether. I could respect PJ for his efforts on the LotR films -- even with the sometimes appalling baggage he dragged into them -- because, all in all, he did a creditable job in bringing Middle-earth to life, even if I didn't agree with all his extraneous plotlines.
However, this wholesale fan-fictionalization that has enveloped The Hobbit like a smoky reek is unacceptable meddling worse than the Sackville-Baggins setting up shop at Bag-End and ruining the Shire. That is, of course, my opinion, and no amount of shutting my brain off or taking mind-altering drugs will change my view of this travesty.
On the bright side, you and I can still discuss the books with reverence. Just don't mention that...ummm...what's the word I'm looking for to replace the expletives I am thinking? Ah yes, adaptation.
As you inferred, c'est la vie. Or c'est la guerre, perhaps. People's feelings toward the films are unshakable, it seems, but rather than drawing battle lines, we should be more accepting of opposing opinions. No matter how obviously daft and wrong-headed they may be.
Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are masterpieces.
Just like there is nothing wrong with disliking the movies. Nor is there anything wrong in thinking they are terrible movies.
Nothing is universal. Not even across a fandom.
The fact is, we all lie somewhere on the spectrum between good movie/adaptation vs bad movie/adaptation, and no-one else but ourselves occupies a single space on that spectrum. And wherever you sit is okay.
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Silverlode
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Aug 19 2014, 11:17pm
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If that's really what you desire...
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...that is, to talk about the books and not be bothered by the adaptation, then the Reading Room is the place for you, where the talk is about the books rather than the other thing. This being the section of the forum dedicated entirely to the unspeakable, one must expect that to be the continual topic, and to come here is merely to subject oneself to endless reminders of the horror. Of course, some people are gluttons for punishment...
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Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan
Aug 19 2014, 11:41pm
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I love lotrs. I think they are the best films ever made! I love the books. The Hobbit is probably my favourite book of all time...
So I should stop coming to this site because I don't like the Hobbit films??
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Morthoron
Gondor
Aug 20 2014, 12:58am
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...that is, to talk about the books and not be bothered by the adaptation, then the Reading Room is the place for you, where the talk is about the books rather than the other thing. This being the section of the forum dedicated entirely to the unspeakable, one must expect that to be the continual topic, and to come here is merely to subject oneself to endless reminders of the horror. Of course, some people are gluttons for punishment...
Having been here over six years with this current log-in and name, I am quite aware of the location of the Reading Room, as I have participated in countless worthwhile discussions therein.
But thanks for showing me my "proper place". Perhaps you are right, people with an opposing point of view certainly aren't welcome here, shouldn't voice there concerns, or comment at all; unless they are, as you stayed, "gluttons for punishment".
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Silverlode
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Aug 20 2014, 1:42am
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I was making a tongue-in-cheek reply to this, which I assumed was also meant to be read as tongue-in-cheek:
On the bright side, you and I can still discuss the books with reverence. Just don't mention that...ummm...what's the word I'm looking for to replace the expletives I am thinking? Ah yes, adaptation. But I suppose this does illustrate a major difficulty in communication online - one might write a message in a certain tone but fail to see the same intended tone in someone else's response. My apologies that my winky face was insufficient to recall yours. I am not telling you to leave the board, any more than you were really telling Daniel never to discuss the movies with you on the movie board.
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Elciryamo
Rivendell
Aug 20 2014, 5:57am
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But, I doubt that most people here would want someone to leave over a difference of opinion. But, communication on the Internet, with a lack of social cues and vocal tones makes it more difficult for sarcasm to be understood. Which is sad, because I speak fluent sarcasmlish ;)
On a more serious note, a discussion of the merits of the Hobbit films, both for and against, is welcome, in my opinion. However, as with any topic in fandom, there are deep, entrench, opinions, which are not easily persuaded to change and cause very defensive responses.
I certainly welcome difference of opinions but I think we can agree that the films cannot be regarded as universally, anymore than one could say the Hobbit book is universally good.
I do hope you will stick around :)
I love lotrs. I think they are the best films ever made! I love the books. The Hobbit is probably my favourite book of all time...
So I should stop coming to this site because I don't like the Hobbit films??
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 20 2014, 7:32am
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There are plenty of people here who like to discuss the pros and cons of these movies rationally and without the "fanboy vs. hater" attitude.
Sometimes disussions get a bit heated and snarky, especially when the minority of posters who indeed do have issues with accepting opposing views ( from both sides of the continuum) heat things up unnecessarily. And occasionally both sides felt like this board did either not welcome opposing views or that there was too much negativity at different points in time.
But looking back at most debates, we were mostly able to go back to reasonable and rational discussions. SO it would be shame if you'd leave, I think. :)
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Darkstone
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Aug 20 2014, 1:11pm
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Indeed they most certainly are!
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From Merriam-Webster: "Terrible (adjecttive): formidable in nature: awesome"
Glad you agree!!!
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entmaiden
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Aug 20 2014, 1:43pm
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This forum is for fans of Tolkien
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and all are welcome here. We have many message boards other than the Hobbit movie, and many people spend time in them in addition to, or sometimes instead of, this board.
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