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NateGate
Rivendell
Aug 17 2014, 10:36pm
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The Revelation of The Arkenstone in DOS....
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I just had an epiphany, maybe I'm an idiot for not realizing this earlier, or maybe I am just one of the first to pick up on it.
After Smaug says "How do you choose to die?" to Bilbo, attempts to eat him, and blow flames at him, Bilbo disappears, and the positioning camera indicates that he runs UNDER Smaug TOWARDS where the Arkenstone was. What if, BILBO DID GET THE ARKENSTONE, and PJ is hiding this fact from us. This would show loyalty to the book as well. Not only that, but it would also show why Thorin was turning on Bilbo, and why Bilbo hesitated when Thorin asked him, "Did you find it?". Thorin suspects Bilbo of stealing the Arkenstone (PJ's subtle hint to the audience), and Bilbo's hesitates, instead of just saying no, Bilbo stutters and then gives an offhanded "no...we have to get out." Also look at Bilbo's face when he says this, that isn't horror or confusion, that's guilt written all over his face. This shows that Thorin's attitude may not be wholly ungrounded, and that Biblo may, after all, have gotten the Arkenstone as he did in the Book. PJ is only hiding it from the audience and seeing if we can pick up on the little hints.
Thoughts? :D
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Aug 17 2014, 10:42pm
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I think there is definitely an open and foregrounded question as to what Bilbo has got in in his pocketses when it comes to the Arkenstone.
I think a reasonable amount of the shot positioning and action on screen is intend to point the audience towards this thought.
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Aug 17 2014, 10:54pm
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My immediate thought on seeing this scene
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I have had the impression all along that Bilbo did pick up the Arkenstone, and was hiding it from Thorin.
Not Bilbo's finest moment – certainly not in the book, and probably not here, either.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 17 2014, 11:04pm
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Bilbo has the arkenstone but he hides from Thorin because of Smaug´s words
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Concerning that Thorin has just used Bilbo and that he doesnt consider him his friend, just a tool, and all about being corrupted by it
When Thorin asks him he tries to read in Thorins eyes if he really cares about him or only has been using him (this is the power of the voice of the dragon) and also and most probably he doesnt know for what Thorin wants it, so its very plausible that Bilbo hides from him in order to avoid Thorin being corrupted or mad just as Smaug suggested
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Hanzkaz
Rohan
Aug 18 2014, 6:02am
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its very plausible that Bilbo hides from him in order to avoid Thorin being corrupted or mad just as Smaug suggested
- what I was thinking. Quite a dilemma for the little Hobbit.
From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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NecromancerRising
Gondor
Aug 18 2014, 6:37am
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Smaug's words came instantly into Bilbo's mind,and this was the main reason imo, that hid the Arkenstone from Thorin.
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Aug 18 2014, 2:21pm
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Bilbo even tries to rationalize what he did after Thorin's death by saying "Well I guess I made a mess of the Arkenstone business but I can hardly be blamed for that" or somesuch.
Yeah not Bilbo's best moment I agree with Glorfindela and I always felt bad about it in the book when he took it and gave it to Thranduil and Bard.
We shall see what happens here and how PJ handles it. I think he already has it, just like he did in the book. But maybe we will see him pick it up from insde. We have to pretty quickly though get to the scene where he gives it away because there's a lot going on in this movie. I think it may be quicker to see that he already has it.
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FrogmortonJustice65
Lorien
Aug 18 2014, 10:04pm
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they set this up in the EE of AUJ
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When Bilbo over-hears Elrond and Gandalf talking about dragon-sickness overcoming Thorin's ancestors.
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Aug 19 2014, 4:06pm
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Bilbo stumbling over his words at the point of Thorin's sword and his awkward expression only make sense if we interpret it this way. However, I think that perhaps audience members who have not read the book might not have picked up on this.
The only thing that saved Bilbo from Thorin's wrath at that moment was Smaug showing up. Talk about dramatic irony.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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