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Axeman21
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Aug 7 2014, 2:45pm

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Having been watching The Lord of the rings trilogy , can any one tell why legolas has brown eyes in The Lord of the rings films but in the hobit he has blue eyes? Also in The Lord of the ring films Gimli is about shoulder height on legolas and Arogon yet the dwarves look ever so small in the hobbit against men and elves is Gimli very tall I think not its a complete mess. Far more care has been taken in h Lotr films. The hobbit is just a money making machine taking advantage of nerds.


Arwen's daughter
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Aug 7 2014, 2:49pm

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Legolas mostly has blue eyes in LOTR, too [In reply to] Can't Post

Though there are a few scenes where they either forgot his contacts or the lighting makes them look darker, he's definitely meant to have blue eyes in the LOTR movie trilogy.


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Axeman21
The Shire

Aug 7 2014, 2:52pm

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Legola [In reply to] Can't Post

Watching the two towers right now his eyes are most brown


Otaku-sempai
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Aug 7 2014, 2:55pm

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Um... [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you have any criticisms that involve more than trite, superficial details?

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Arwen's daughter
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Aug 7 2014, 3:06pm

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These are all from The Two Towers:

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There are definitely times when his eyes look darker, but they did put Orlando Bloom into blue contacts for the LOTR trilogy.


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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea


Aug 7 2014, 3:07pm

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Why didn't anyone tell me I was being taken advantage of? [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess we nerds are always the last to know. Wink


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Aug 7 2014, 3:18pm

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Riven Delve
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Aug 7 2014, 3:42pm

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sevilodorf
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Aug 7 2014, 3:54pm

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Weren't they irritating his eyes at times? [In reply to] Can't Post

Them they forgot to tint them in the editing. It's noticeable but my favorite oops is not photoshopping in Eomer at the end of Two Towers.

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dormouse
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Aug 7 2014, 4:24pm

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It's a pain, isn't it - they didn't tell me either.... [In reply to] Can't Post

And all that time I've spent reading the story when the things that really mattered were Gimli's height and the colour of Legolas's eyes..... such a waste!


Riven Delve
Tol Eressea


Aug 7 2014, 4:30pm

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Such a shame! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Darkstone
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Aug 7 2014, 4:39pm

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Film is forever. Blindness is also forever. [In reply to] Can't Post

In the LOTR films Bloom found he couldn't continually wear the blue contact lenses over the entire 15 month shooting schedule because they tended to scratch his corneas. To keep from losing his sight he had to take breaks from wearing them, meaning sometimes Legolas had brown eyes.

Note that he doesn't have nearly as much screen time in The Hobbit films so he doesn't have to wear the contact lenses as frequently as he did during LOTR.

Obviously Jackson puts the health of his actors over any consideration for fanboi angst caused by minor continuity errors. I wholeheartedly support his choice.

And no, it wouldn't have been easy-peasy to correct it in post-production. Funding was tight (Jackson already had to cut several of his favorite FX because of budget reasons), as was time (Originally the LOTR films were to have been released six months apart. Jackson had to argue and argue that that schedule was impossible and that they needed at least 12 months between films to complete all the editing and FX for each film. Even then, obviously, some things had to fall by the wayside.)

As for Gimli, his tall stature in LOTR was deliberate, to emphasize his fatherly attitude towards the, as he calls them, "young hobbits". Such a size differential is not used in The Hobbit because Bilbo's relationship to the Dwarves in The Company is more that of an equal. That is, the reason for the degrees of size differential is subliminal character development.



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Aug 7 2014, 6:43pm

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 7 2014, 7:00pm

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I wish they did his eyes digitally [In reply to] Can't Post

Considering how much of the film was colour graded anyway.

Digitally coloured eyes look much more convincing than contact lenses. I don't see why contact lenses are still used in films. Crazy


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 7 2014, 7:12pm

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Color grading versus color correction. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not the same thing.

And changing eye color would be a secondary color correction process, which is a third thing.

I won't even mention master color correction, which is a fourth thing.

TL;DR: Easier, quicker, cheaper to use colored contact lenses.

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dubulous
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Aug 7 2014, 7:31pm

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The height of the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually always thought Gimli was often too tall in the LotR. Being able to use new technology to get a more accurate and consistant scale for the dwarves is not, IMO, making a mess of the Hobbit films. I'd say it's more like the opposite. They are supposed to be dwarves, not short humans.

I'm not saying the Hobbit films are perfect (there are many things I dislike about DoS in particular) but I feel like a lot of these complaints seem to sprout from looking at the LotR movies through some sort of rose tinted spectacles that make everything look so much better, even when it sometimes isn't.


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Hanzkaz
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Aug 7 2014, 8:06pm

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Maybe Gimli was tall for a Dwarf - [In reply to] Can't Post

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Lorien


Aug 7 2014, 9:00pm

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I think that there are some individual differences [In reply to] Can't Post

among members of the same race.
Not all men are the same height, not all dwarves are the same height, aren't they?

So Gimli is" very tall", the Durins (well, two of them) are tall, Dwalin is taller than Balin...
I see nothing strange here or inaccurate...
By the way, Thranduil is taller than his son (and it's a fairly unusual thing) but nobody has complained about it..
I haven't for sureWink


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Aug 7 2014, 9:04pm

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Now it can be told: It was the Ent-Draughts [In reply to] Can't Post

Little-known fact, Gimli snuck into Fangorn as a youngster and stole some drinks, along with some firewood.

That's why the forest was upset to see him again in LOTR.

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Aug 7 2014, 9:08pm

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Coincidentally [In reply to] Can't Post

there's a discussion on dwarf and hobbit heights on Main right now.

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Aug 7 2014, 10:04pm

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I actually always thought Gimli was often too tall in the LotR. Being able to use new technology to get a more accurate and consistant scale for the dwarves is not, IMO, making a mess of the Hobbit films. I'd say it's more like the opposite. They are supposed to be dwarves, not short humans.

I'm not saying the Hobbit films are perfect (there are many things I dislike about DoS in particular) but I feel like a lot of these complaints seem to sprout from looking at the LotR movies through some sort of rose tinted spectacles that make everything look so much better, even when it sometimes isn't.


I distinctly remember John Rhys-Davies saying that, proportionally he was the right height against Elijah Wood for that dwarf-to-hobbit ratio. His body-double was about 4'9", and it was probably more consistent (though I could spot when it was John and when it was the body-double). So I'd have to agree that in The Hobbit PJ wasn't consistent with his LoTR ratio, unless the goal was to emphasize THE Hobbit in "The Hobbit." And I do feel that in several places the dwarves are too short against humans, again going with the LoTR ratio of Gimli-Aragorn. Of course, some of that might be due to the 3D/HD/48fps technology that didn't exist during filming of LoTR. PJ did say that some of the tricks they used in LoTR wouldn't work in 3D, hmmm, maybe more advanced technology DOESN'T make a better film???


Avandel
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Aug 7 2014, 10:21pm

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I'm lovin' throwing money at the Hobbit films [In reply to] Can't Post

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Having been watching The Lord of the rings trilogy , can any one tell why legolas has brown eyes in The Lord of the rings films but in the hobit he has blue eyes? Also in The Lord of the ring films Gimli is about shoulder height on legolas and Arogon yet the dwarves look ever so small in the hobbit against men and elves is Gimli very tall I think not its a complete mess. Far more care has been taken in h Lotr films. The hobbit is just a money making machine taking advantage of nerds.

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Glorfindela
Valinor


Aug 7 2014, 10:39pm

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They did. [In reply to] Can't Post

They did 'do his eyes' digitally in DoS. That's part of the reason for his zombie look – you can see it really well even in stills from the trailer for the next film.

In LotR at least his appearance was natural, whether his eyes were blue or brown. He did not have the stiff-faced, older look of the character in DoS – particularly unattractive when he tries to look grim because of the thin lips.

In passing, I wouldn't say that the reasons the OP has given in any way prove that PJ has 'made a mess' in general of The Hobbit films.


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I wish they did his eyes digitally. Considering how much of the film was colour graded anyway.

Digitally coloured eyes look much more convincing than contact lenses. I don't see why contact lenses are still used in films. Crazy



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KeenObserver
Lorien


Aug 8 2014, 12:19am

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Technological advancement [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm all for it.

If somebody wants to put on their pioneer hat and attempt to push the envelope, then I will be a source of encouragement and cheer them on.

Yes, mistakes will occur; that is a commonality of any endeavour. But the effort is worthwhile when the intention is to enhance the overall experience.

My job, as a viewer, is to exercise suspension of disbelief to the best of my ability. Thus, I am willing to let the ambitious innovator try his imperfect innovations out on me in an attempt to propel the art form forward by delivering something admirably new and fresh.

PJ's approach to the art of filmmaking is similar to a snake shedding its skin.

It must be done.

So yes! Give me that awesomely immersive 3D! Give me that deliciously clear high definition picture quality! And give me that naturally smooth and hyper realistic high frame rate.

Strive to enhance!Smile


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PJ did say that some of the tricks they used in LoTR wouldn't work in 3D, hmmm, maybe more advanced technology DOESN'T make a better film???


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Aug 8 2014, 12:43am

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