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Kagemusha
The Shire
Aug 6 2014, 1:45pm
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Curious question by Gandalf in AUJ
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Perhaps this question has been broached before, but in AUJ Gandalf askes Thorin who he told besides his kin after they're attacked by wargs. Now Gandalf knows Thorin is being hunted, so why the question? Orcs are obviously skilled hunters and would have easily tracked a 15 member party through the wild... any ideas?
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greenbalrog
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Aug 6 2014, 1:49pm
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Well, apart from their kin, perhaps mentioning it at...
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An inn? Sorry, can't do better than that.
The wild-man in The Prancing Pony did see him in Bree.
That's an interesting question though. However, perhaps we're trying too hard to find something important in that question than is required?
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Arannir
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Aug 6 2014, 1:54pm
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... he thought that the assassins must have lost track of Thorin. And he also did not know that a whole Orc pack was hunting Thorin... he only knew of some "gangsters" out there to make some money.
That an organized Orc pack is hunting them must already be troubling for Gandalf.
Even more so considering how big Eriador is - the chances are not that big to find them unless you have some idea of where to look for Thorin and his Company.
Later Gandalf specifically refers to the Great East Road several times... he must wonder "How did they know we would be on that road?".
That is probably why he fears the Orcs already know that the quest leads to Erebor. The information Bolg sends to Dol Guldur also underlines that they indeed know the reason for the Quest... and that Sauron knows as well. Although by that time it is not a hard guess anymore, of course.
I wonder whether the Thrain episodes may have something to do with it... does Sauron know about Gandalf urging Thrain to march on the mountain? And therefore realized as soon as he learns of Thorin and Gandalf's collaboration that Gandalf will now "use" Thorin to claim the mountain?
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Aug 6 2014, 3:28pm
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Yes I think it is a question of scale.
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A few cut throats, Gandalf is aware of, but a full Orc pack with Wargs from Gundabad seems to be another order of threat, one which Gandalf doesn't yet understand.
Even Saruman alludes to the fact that an Orc pack crossing the Bruinen is a rarity (though he disagrees with the cause) so Gandalf is searching for an explanation for how they come to be there hunting for Thorin.
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Aug 7 2014, 5:46am
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the unexpected party didn't happen the next day
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after they met at the prancing pony. Thorin could have mentioned it to someone, i think Gandalf was pretty upset that the orcs were onto them and he took it out on Thorin.
The flames of war are upon you..
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 7 2014, 5:21pm
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We will see what Thorin was doing in-between meeting Gandalf and the unexpected party, maybe a flashback to Thorin recruiting each dwarf/dwarf family for the quest?
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TnuaccayM
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Aug 7 2014, 8:20pm
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but his reaction maybe because of what he heard about the Necromancer from Radagast. And maybe he didn't know that orcs where hunting him too, and it could be that after hearing about a Necromancer, that could be Sauron, he started wonder if there could be any connection.
And, if Thorin had actually told someone else about the quest it may had made sense for orcs to hunt him, but he didn't.
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