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Axeman21
The Shire

Aug 2 2014, 5:46am

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What's it all about dwaves riding sheep I'm sure the orcs will be terrified of some killer sheep Jackson has lost the plot


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Aug 2 2014, 7:59am

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...an angry ram is a formidable foe, don't you?

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Axeman21
The Shire

Aug 2 2014, 8:40am

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Yummy lamb chops for dinner


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Aug 2 2014, 9:21am

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...are mistaken. Try fighting an agry ram yourself and try making it you dinner. You will not succeed. I guarentee it.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Aug 2 2014, 9:34am

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...runs at speeds up to 45 km/h, and then is able to head-butt with a force of 800 kg. And when it clashes like this with another bighorn the sound of the collision can be heard from 2 km's away.

So maybe it is clear to you now, you are really underestimating these guys.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Aug 2 2014, 1:23pm

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What's it all about dwaves riding sheep I'm sure the orcs will be terrified of some killer sheep Jackson has lost the plot


I don't think orcs are particularly scared of humans either. The goats are there to help them kill the enemy, not necessarily to scare them. They don't care whether it scares orcs or not.


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Aug 2 2014, 5:38pm

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What's it all about dwaves riding sheep I'm sure the orcs will be terrified of some killer sheep Jackson has lost the plot


- to the preferred habitats of the Dwarves (mountains, hills, etc).

The Dwarves must have domesticated them and later found more military uses for them. They probably find them easier to handle than regular horses.

I think PJ and Co are making the point that the Dwarves (along wth the Elves) are non-human cultures. Just as the Orcs ride versions of giant wolves, why wouldn't the other non-human races have unusual travelling animals? These are in a way the fairytale races of legend that helped inspire the creation of Middle-Earth in the first place.

So sheep, rabbits, deer and boars as travelling animals may not be quite as out of place as one might think - especially in a movie trilogy based on a children's fantasy book.



From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.



(This post was edited by Hanzkaz on Aug 2 2014, 5:40pm)


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Aug 2 2014, 6:58pm

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While I think that Dwarves riding ram mounts is an extremely silly idea... [In reply to] Can't Post

...it really doesn't affect the plot in any way.


Ataahua
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Aug 2 2014, 9:39pm

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Black Sheep

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 2 2014, 10:12pm

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It would help Dain's army to reach the Mountain a whole lot quicker - and that might be important.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Aug 2 2014, 11:07pm

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More like ibexes, which are wild creatures and pretty impressive looking, the males with very long, backwards-curving horns.


Bracegirdle
Tol Eressea


Aug 3 2014, 9:06pm

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Is not too far out for a movie loosely based on a children's fantasy.

But dwaves riding sheep - now that's going too tooo far.TongueTongue

Perhaps a "dwave" is a squad of dwarves? (sorry Axeman, all in fun.) Evil

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Kilidoescartwheels
Gondor

Aug 4 2014, 7:39pm

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OMG, that's HILARIOUS!!! About as scary as "Night of the Lepus" killer rabbits, and as dumb as "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." Btw, none of those sheep looked black to me....


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 4 2014, 10:17pm

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doesn't seem too outrageous. Also, I like the fact that the filmmakers are thinking outside the box - or rather, inside the height issue to find animals that would be a) easily available to a mountain culture and b) appropriate size for the creature riding it.

Of course, they could have gone the predictable route and had them riding on battle ponies, but that somehow doesn't seem all that impressive to me. In general, I think that rams are a bit more belligerent than ponies. And they come already supplied with head armaments. Wink

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Earl
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Aug 4 2014, 11:43pm

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I think it's a pun on "black sheep" as in "the black sheep of the family" [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember seeing this trailer back when the movie was being promo-ed. Strange how dated it looks now.

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Earl
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Aug 4 2014, 11:49pm

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Wild rams are generally more aggressive than wild ponies Laugh

Also, you are right about them being right for the Dwarves' stature. And a ram's headbutt isn't something one would want to experience.

In general, I'm loving the armoured rams. I'm hope that rumour of Dain riding in on a wild boar is true. How awesome would that be!

Now these are adaptational liberties I can appreciate. They're not far fetched and could very well be written by Tolkien had he gone back and described the Battle of Five Armies the same way he described the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, with the various races, their war mounts, and beasts, coming into the battlefield in wave after wave. Fantabulous!

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Loresilme
Valinor


Aug 5 2014, 12:41am

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Also, you are right about them being right for the Dwarves' stature. And a ram's headbutt isn't something one would want to experience.



Maybe that's where they got the idea, back in AUJ, to have Dwalin and Balin affectionately headbutt in greeting. I like that it all ties in together.


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Noria
Rohan

Aug 5 2014, 12:58am

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Those armoured rams with their huge horns looked like they could face wargs successfully, unlike the poor horses of the Rohirrim in TTT or Dwarves on foot. IMO it looks like it could work.
Plus I think they look really cool.


Cirashala
Grey Havens


Aug 5 2014, 4:48am

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like little tanks on battering rams Cool

Yeah, that does sound a bit more ferocious than "short, hairy guys entering battle on their trusty ponies" Tongue Sly



Arannir
Valinor


Aug 5 2014, 7:42am

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In general, I'm loving the armoured rams. I'm hope that rumour of Dain riding in on a wild boar is true. How awesome would that be!


It seems to be true - Empire also talked about it in their article.


In general, this is the kind of fantasy elements I really like them to bring in this story.

Just hoping the chariot and cart scenes won't add that rollercoaster element again... while I loved the barrels and didn't think Goblin-town was too bad (except for the two falls), I really do not see why something like this would be needed in something PJ himselfs describes as a character-driven thriller with a huge battle (plus the destruction of a city by a dragon + Dol Guldur) in it Crazy

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



Bernhardina
Rohan


Aug 5 2014, 10:08am

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