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"Creatures" in the orc army *spoilers*


Aug 1 2014, 6:56pm

Post #1 of 21 (1617 views)
"Creatures" in the orc army *spoilers* Can't Post

Quote from the BOTFA article in Empire Magazine:

"All the Middle-earth battles have been different because they tell different stories", Jackson insists. "Here I wanted to do things we had never done before. Obviously there are orcs fighting elves and men, but I wanted to bring in more creatures. The orcs have all manners of creatures. Not just trolls, but creatures they have bred for their armies. They are like the panzer tanks of the orc armies."

There have been discussions on these boards about whether or not the orc army will contain trolls, now it's confirmed that they're in. Yay! But what do you think we can expect of these other creatures? PJ refers to them as "panzer tanks" - is it going to be four-legged animals like those rhino-like beasts we saw pulling Grond in ROTK, or huge bipedal beings, somewhat like giants? Or perhaps both?

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought

Tol Eressea

Aug 1 2014, 7:01pm

Post #2 of 21 (941 views)
Might not be a confirmation [In reply to] Can't Post

He could have meant it like this: Orcs don't have just trolls (like we have seen in LOTR) but other creatures as well.


Aug 1 2014, 7:10pm

Post #3 of 21 (882 views)
You may be right... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but I got the impression that by "orcs" PJ wasn't referring to orcs in general, but to the orcs in this specific movie.

Oh well, we'll see.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Aug 1 2014, 7:37pm

Post #4 of 21 (848 views)
He was clearly referring to BOFA [In reply to] Can't Post

I understand it like there will be some creatures, we've never seen before.
"Like Panzer Tanks" sounds like more or less bigger creatures like Rhinos. Maybe some with abstract horns or deformed bodies. I can't really tell.
But the will be some ugly ones in there... ;)


Aug 1 2014, 7:43pm

Post #5 of 21 (829 views)
There just better be bats [In reply to] Can't Post

Swarms of bats. Anything else is gravy.

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The Hall of Fire


Aug 1 2014, 9:07pm

Post #6 of 21 (745 views)
So my dream of Beorn duking it out with a troll is an actual possibility? [In reply to] Can't Post


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Aug 1 2014, 10:39pm

Post #7 of 21 (755 views)
We've already seen a lot of creatures [In reply to] Can't Post

like Thranduil's elk, trolls, spiders, bats, a bear and recently the dwarves on ''goats'' and the rumored ''wild boar'' of Dain. I think it is pretty original to have a fight full of different creatures and also something unique. I don't doubt there could be trolls and spiders on it. Some things like when Gandalf tells Thorin that there haven't been trolls coming out of the Ettenmoors since ''a darker power ruled these lands'' and that the fact that the spiders are coming from Dol Guldur might be a good indication of that. And it also ties the events of The Hobbit book with the Necromancer background storyline.

I just hope the goblins are back as well... :D


Aug 2 2014, 12:29am

Post #8 of 21 (703 views)
Ridiculously awesome [In reply to] Can't Post

This battle is going to be both emotionally draining and outrageously fun.

It seems like there will be plenty of variety and a lot going on.

I am so ready for the craziness that awaits.

TBOTFA is gonna take "repeat viewings" to another level.

I just hope the goblins are back as well... :D

I really hope that the goblins show up too.

They would definitely contribute to the craziness
and make the battle even more "fun" than it already

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(This post was edited by KeenObserver on Aug 2 2014, 12:32am)


Aug 2 2014, 1:47am

Post #9 of 21 (656 views)
Wargs.. [In reply to] Can't Post

..are the first creatures that came to mind when you posted that exerpt. You can even see them being bred during the Dol Guldur scenes in DOS.


Aug 2 2014, 4:15am

Post #10 of 21 (602 views)
Why not the rhino creatures from ROTK? [In reply to] Can't Post

You know, the ones that pulled the huge towers.

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Aug 2 2014, 4:47am

Post #11 of 21 (602 views)
Not that original [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
I think it is pretty original to have a fight full of different creatures and also something unique.

Have you ever heard of Narnia? Lewis pretty much has that locked up Wink

Tol Eressea

Aug 2 2014, 4:54am

Post #12 of 21 (595 views)
i don't know about the trolls [In reply to] Can't Post

i feel we got enough trolls in the ROTK battles, i want to see new stuff! like spiders or the bats. I want a battle that doesn't look like ones we've already seen.

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Aug 2 2014, 7:02am

Post #13 of 21 (580 views)
You will be amazed [In reply to] Can't Post

Giant Dino like creatures would be superb.

Ereinion Nénharma

Aug 2 2014, 7:26am

Post #14 of 21 (554 views)
Please... [In reply to] Can't Post

...no dinosaurs. This is Middle-earth, not Jurassic Park.

I'm find with prehistoric beasts, but then add something like cave lions, giant deer (already in AUJ), mammoths, aurochs or maybe Paraceratherium.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Aug 2 2014, 12:56pm

Post #15 of 21 (480 views)
Well [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien described the fell beasts as pterosaur-like, didn't he? Or acknowledged they looked something like that, anyway. Wink

I agree though, fascinating as I find them I wouldn't want too many creatures that closely resembled dinosaurs running around in Middle-earth.


Aug 2 2014, 1:42pm

Post #16 of 21 (466 views)
Well, yes, I know [In reply to] Can't Post

And it wouldn't be the first time we see creatures in such battles... but I was referring in comparison to the other Middle Earth battles that we've already seen.

I don't know what others may think, but I actually think that these movies reflect more what Tolkien wanted Middle Earth to look like, a fantasy world full of different people and creatures :D


Aug 2 2014, 2:50pm

Post #17 of 21 (477 views)
Sauron controlled the Isle of Werewolves [In reply to] Can't Post

Sauron also once took the shape of a Werewolf. I wouldn't be surprised if Peter Jackson uses that as an excuse to include one or more such creatures at either Dol Guldur or the Battle of Five Armies. He might even depict them as Warg-like, but bipedal to distinguish them from ordinary Wargs.

The bats might be under the command of a Vampire such as his First-Age servant Thuringwethil.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

The Shire

Aug 2 2014, 7:06pm

Post #18 of 21 (423 views)
That would be awesome [In reply to] Can't Post

Vampires, spiders, trolls and giant werewolves would be brilliant.

Would the orcs have warg-drawn chariots or something too?


Aug 2 2014, 8:47pm

Post #19 of 21 (390 views)
I would love to see werewolves at Dol Guldur... [In reply to] Can't Post

... if only to break the monotony of the endless orc servants, but I'm afraid that they will have to stand aside for the newly awoken Nazgûl. Whether the bats will be commanded by a vampire or not remains to be seen, but I think it's a really good idea.

Nevertheless, it will be fun to see the trolls and the "panzer tanks" to go head to head with the battle rams and boars, and maybe Beorn.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Aug 2 2014, 8:55pm

Post #20 of 21 (377 views)
I think dragons and Balrog are already great Reptile like beings [In reply to] Can't Post

So a surviving Dino could be. Although I also know it will not happen
It would be a bit of humor to have a T-rex running around and eat a few Nasty Filty Orcsys

The Shire

Aug 2 2014, 11:11pm

Post #21 of 21 (399 views)
Grond beast [In reply to] Can't Post


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