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JamesPaganini
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Jul 17 2014, 8:07am
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Perfect music for Thorin's Funeral
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Hi fellow Tolkien fans, I'm new here, after observing the boards for two years I finally joined 
Anyway I believe this will be the perfect music for when Bard places the arkenstone on Thorin's chest and they lift him up to place him under the mountain at his funeral.
from 06:12 - 07:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8FhRBwpEo
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boldog
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Jul 17 2014, 8:38am
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About time you joined the boards! 
In regards to your post,, i have to disagree strongly.
That music is purely the shire theme, and an epic rendition of it to focus on the 4 hobbits in that particular scene.
To have it during Thorins funeral is pretty pointless, because he is not a hobbit, he is a dwarf, and the whole focus of this funeral will be on the dwarves, not Bilbo.
Plus it sounds much too uplifting for that scene, which im expecting to be very emotional.
My guess, and hope is that they include some deep male humming vocals during this scene. It will really add to the emotion, and show it on a more dwarven perspective.
But either way, welcome, Welcome, and Thrice Welcome!
I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.
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JamesPaganini
Rivendell
Jul 17 2014, 8:47am
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Hmmm, now that you say that...
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And thankyou for the welcome 
...I do agree that it would feel out of place with the shire theme. But for some strange reason, I started listening to that track again and again and Thorin's funeral just always popped up in my mind. I also imagined the film cutting to a saddened Bilbo as we see Thorin being placed under the mountain.
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davidjUK
Bree
Jul 17 2014, 9:22am
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Have to disagree with you here. I think the perfect theme for Thorin's funeral would be some sort of rendition of the Misty Mountains song.
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emre43
Rohan
Jul 17 2014, 9:29am
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But I agree with the others, definitely the wrong tune to use.
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Shagrat
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Jul 17 2014, 9:35am
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We'll need something distinctly Dwarven, with sombre humming and Khuzdul chorus. I suspect Shore will interweave the themes for Thorin, Erebor, and the House of Durin, perhaps also the Misty Mountains. I expect it will be reminiscent of the great Dwarrowdelf theme in its majesty, and break all our hearts.
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JamesPaganini
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Jul 17 2014, 9:38am
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If not any dwarven theme, what about the theme that plays when Thorin hugs Bilbo, which also plays in Return of the King during Aragorn's coronation. I can see Shore reprising that theme again. But I can see it now, I do believe a dwarven theme will be played during his funeral.
Not all those who wander are Lost
Darkness must pass. A new day will come and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
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Bofur01
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Jul 17 2014, 9:40am
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I think it'll be related closely with the rendition of 'the House of Durin' which plays in DoS, in the Western Guardroom (Just noticed a FotR reference to Moria there!)
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utku
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Jul 17 2014, 3:42pm
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Sad would be an option, while epic could work as well
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Something like this perhaps:
http://youtu.be/z-tTBrmCEi0?t=28s
The theme is also related to the dwarves (Dwarrowdelf) so there's that. However I think a new rendition of Misty Mountains is most likely.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 17 2014, 4:04pm
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Use the melody for Thorin's 'Misty Mountains' song
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The Dwarves could sing the actual song that Tolkien used just after Thorin parleyed with Bard outside the Front Gate. The song could make an excellent dirge for Thorin's funeral.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Rohan
Jul 17 2014, 5:31pm
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"Under the Mountain Dark and Tall," as heard in the 1977 animated movie.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 17 2014, 5:49pm
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"Under the Mountain Dark and Tall," as heard in the 1977 animated movie.
That is another arrangement of the same song:
Under the Mountain dark and tall
The King as come into his hall!
His foe is dead, the Worm of Dread,
And ever so his foes shall fall.
etc.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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dormouse
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Jul 17 2014, 10:15pm
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It's an interesting discussion you've started, but reading it I wonder....
Don't you think that for what is, after all, one of the biggest and most emotional scenes in the story - if not the biggest and most emotional - Howard Shore is going to want to compose something new and special - something that can only be Thorin's funeral music and will always be recognised as such, even if it has some of the earlier themes threaded into it?
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Earl
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Jul 18 2014, 1:51am
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I would really like something more Dwarvish
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Something like the Dwarrowdelf music, grand and filled with sadness without being overly pompous.
I also like the idea of having the Dwarves in the scene sing a dirge. I think DOS could have done with some diegetic music. For me, much of what gave LOTR its historical feel was the use of diegetic music - the singing by the characters added yet another layer of depth to the world of Middle-earth. The AUJ EE (for me) felt much more Middle-earthy with the the addition of the songs. I wish DOS had some of it; and I hope BOFA has some of it.
Welcome to TORn, by the way. This is a great topic
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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Faleel
Rohan
Jul 18 2014, 2:40am
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What about the Laketown band ;)
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redgiraffe
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Jul 18 2014, 7:03am
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I always thought Bilbo's song could be fitting for Thorin's actual death at the end of the battle and then lead into Thorin's funeral with it. Sure it's not a dwarven song, though it could work coming form the perspective of Bilbo witnessing the death and funeral.
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JamesPaganini
Rivendell
Jul 18 2014, 7:04am
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Yes absolutely! Bilbo's Song at the end of the credits for Return of the King would be perfect.
Not all those who wander are Lost
Darkness must pass. A new day will come and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
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Earl
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Jul 18 2014, 11:01pm
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It certainly added another cultural aspect to Laketown.
I wish they had shown us the Feast Of Starlight, even if as a glimpse, when Tauriel spoke about it. One of my favourite "elvish" scenes is in FOTR EE when Sam and Frodo see the Elves journeying to the Tower Hills. That scene, combined with the singing in it, really took the film to a whole other level, if even for a few moments. There was deep history and myth in there, mixed with the present. It gave a "Silmarillion" type feel to the film. I loved it, and still do.
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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dormouse
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Jul 19 2014, 8:08am
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Yes I'm quietly hoping that the Feast of Starlight.....
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... might appear in the EE, if only briefly. It would add so much.
When it comes to Thorin's funeral music, I'd like to think that they will find something really special, as they did with for funeral of Theodred. To see that happen, and to hear Eowyn sing, for me was exceptional, because it added such a cultural richness to the Rohirrim. It gave that same sense that you get from the books, that the immediate story rests on generations of untold stories. So if they can pull off a similar effect for the dwarves, i'll be happy.
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Earl
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Jul 19 2014, 2:39pm
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Eowyn singing that dirge for Theodred was very visceral. And there was also something about seeing those women beside her mouthing the words that added a richness and depth to the Rohirric culture.
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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