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Avandel
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Jul 6 2014, 9:40pm
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And I believe that you'll find yourself watching TBOTFA more often than you think.
Why is that?
Well, because it's going to be glorious.
And besides, cowards like me will eventually just watch what they wanna watch, thanks to the wonders of technology, which happily can help one avoid either tears while watching any given production, or just outright cringing/boredom/irritation, depending on the scene in question. Or, alternatively, wear out certain sections of a DVD/BR by replaying, forcing one to re-purchase, thereby contributing to the economy.
Or just go watch something like, say, Superman, where characters who have passed onto the great Havens promptly return from the Netherworld no worse for wear. I understand even Arnold is making an appearance in the next Terminator? Sort of like a certain bunny that just keeps going and going....
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Avandel
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Jul 6 2014, 9:59pm
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But I've grown tired of "comfortable theatrics" and restricted expression (sounds odd, I know  ).
It's not that I hate expression of deep emotions on a passionate level, I just get uneasy as I'm not sure what you are saying, and I am uncomfortable with the desire (evidently) from some (not you, but re some posts on You Tube and elsewhere) where it seems some folks wanna see agonizing grief etc. just because, and to me are practically salivating at the thought. And I always wonder, why? Because of the tragic nature of the scene, or because you want to cobble up some horribly edited vid with a cheesy song - eeuwww.
Hope this doesn't sound hostile as not meant to be at all. I'm just still shell-shocked by stuff I've tripped over on You-Tube, and some of the comments *lifts eyebrows*.
And I am not sure what you mean???? Maybe I can't as films are art, and everyone sees something different.....
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Avandel
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Jul 6 2014, 10:05pm
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OMG - Nice finds - THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
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Which book did you find Fili's weapons in ? I have 2 of the WETA books, but I'm not remembering Fili's weapons at all except the drawings of his knives!!!!
So Fili (at least until the elves came along) really did have a war-hammer. Maybe this will get revisited, somehow, in BOFA? (I can never count too much on WB's PR stuff, as they never seem to pay attention to the timelines re costumes and weapons at all! )
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Avandel
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Jul 6 2014, 10:08pm
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that cos of the lack of backhistory and information, a film on Legolas' granddaddy would rip the very fabric of the tattered fandom further than the result of having him in TH right? Good luck to whoever writes/directs/acts in it. Of course, said movie needs have Thranduil as well, and that will result in spontaneous combustion in certain quarters to rival the Big Bang. 
I say we start a petition RIGHT NOW
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Jul 7 2014, 3:43am
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Lead the charge, o fearless leader!
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Your friends are with you
And the herd will follow anon
Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
 Thrall Wars! Teh partsies: Prologue, One (None save Avandel knows whither teh "One"), Two, Three
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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KeenObserver
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Jul 7 2014, 4:21pm
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Heck, I'm not sure, either.
I'm trying to think of an analogy.
Though, it might be better to just keep it plain and simple.
Doubtless, the acting is undeniably first-rate.
So far, pretty much everything has been fairly subtle and reserved (as it should be).
I'm glad that the director and the actors haven't overplayed any particular scene.
And, obviously, I'm not advocating for hammy displays of deep emotion or a cringe-worthy depiction of agonizing grief. Even if these guys attempted to overact, it probably wouldn't seem like overacting because they're that good. Having said all that, I've had a strong yearning to see certain cast members sail their characters into unchartered waters and perform on a passionate level.
I feel like AUJ and DOS have served as a warm-up of sorts. Like they've been going easy on us as far as character expressiveness goes. Calmly waiting for PJ to blow his whistle and get the actual game started so that they can show us the full range of their skill set. And that's exactly what I'm ready for. It's time for these gentleman to vehemently demonstrate their capabilities. It's time to let it all hang out. And most important, it's time for us to witness the raw and unfamiliar features of the accustomed characters.
IMHO, of course.
No more glimpses.
No more holding back.
Let's kick this thing into high gear and go full throttle.
It's as though they've been flirting with us.
As if they've been practicing the art of seduction.
Well fellas, we've been on two great dates together and now I want to get physical.
I hope this helps.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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Avandel
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Jul 7 2014, 8:44pm
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Ah, now I think I see the shape of what you are saying - thank you!
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BTW think you are a heck of a writer in your own right, something about the choice of words and phrases you use - your post to some fans' angst and grief (including mine) was one of the nicest "framings" of something that is quite hard on the fans of the Sons of Durin (yeah, it's just a movie but..... *sigh* Thorin is just so *bleep* magnificent; Fili and Kili are just too heartbreaking...but being glorious - it helps. Somehow. Because I was watching DOS this weekend and seeing Thorin tell Kili to re-join them, and their faces, and Fili's - I can't stand it) *sob*
ANYWAY.
And, obviously, I'm not advocating for hammy displays of deep emotion or a cringe-worthy depiction of agonizing grief. Even if these guys attempted to overact, it probably wouldn't seem like overacting because they're that good. Having said all that, I've had a strong yearning to see certain cast members sail their characters into unchartered waters and perform on a passionate level.
I feel like AUJ and DOS have served as a warm-up of sorts. Like they've been going easy on us as far as character expressiveness goes. Calmly waiting for PJ to blow his whistle and get the actual game started so that they can show us the full range of their skill set. And that's exactly what I'm ready for. It's time for these gentleman to vehemently demonstrate their capabilities. It's time to let it all hang out. And most important, it's time for us to witness the raw and unfamiliar features of the accustomed characters.
This, I get! *Cough* especially, I'm thinking, re things degenerating with Thorin and Bilbo, and the agonizing choices Bilbo will have to make. *Gloomily* just wonder how much having to hold to a PG-13 rating dampens things down *frown*. (So I'm watching Kili at the river and there is blood pooling from his wound, and that's OK - but it's not OK to have a sword be a tad sticky now and then? Crazy )
So I'm wondering - even though we have these incredible actors who could go full bore - it they are ALLOWED to with a PG-13 rating? Or a maddened Thorin really letting loose, or arguing, say *speculating* with Fili and Kili, would get watered down because it would scare the kiddies? Sigh. I still think PJ & co. should go for broke, and let the ratings fall where they may.
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I'm not advocating for hammy displays of deep emotion or a cringe-worthy depiction of agonizing grief.
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to get across. With the right actor, strong emotion can tear you apart in a theater. When it goes wrong, tho, there's me squirming in my seat and wishing it would end, or looking into my popcorn bucket, or rooting around in my bag for something.
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arithmancer
Grey Havens
Jul 7 2014, 9:24pm
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Ratings and passionate emotion in acting
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This, I get! *Cough* especially, I'm thinking, re things degenerating with Thorin and Bilbo, and the agonizing choices Bilbo will have to make. *Gloomily* just wonder how much having to hold to a PG-13 rating dampens things down *frown*.
It should have no effect. No amount of "scary" yelling, screaming, shouting, or whispering, accompanied by gesticulations, facial expressions, etc. should bring a movie over into R territory. Speech only crosses the line to R ratings if it uses obscene language.
(So I'm watching Kili at the river and there is blood pooling from his wound, and that's OK - but it's not OK to have a sword be a tad sticky now and then? Crazy )
I suspect the fear (for the studio/moviemakers) here is that the impact of blood on the ratings may be additive. What makes a movie PG-13 (as both Hobbit films to date are) is violence that is "more than mild": "there may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence." Persistent, I think, is the bigger potential issue for "The Hobbit". Neither Kili oozing blood, nor the sight of blood on a naked sword that has just cut someone, would in itself prompt an R rating, both are realistic, but not extreme. But having too many scenes of either, might be "persistent".
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FiliSonOfDis
Rivendell
Jul 8 2014, 12:17am
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the new WETA book desolation of smaug cloaks and daggers... not even sure if it's out yet but i think thats an excerpt image from it.
The mirkwood image however was just promotional stuff, but seeing him using it in mirkwood makes me think we might see it in the extended edition...possibly he even got it from beorn or something? I mean it looks dwarven i just know he isn't carrying it at all in AUJ...tho dwarves seem to have the magical ability to carry a lot of gear and pull things out of seemingly no where, even in the book with the large instruments.
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Avandel
Half-elven
Jul 8 2014, 1:19am
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tho dwarves seem to have the magical ability to carry a lot of gear and pull things out of seemingly no where, even in the book with the large instruments.
*grins* often think PJ is smarter than all of us, e.g. the Appendices when he talks about what works in a book, and what definitely won't on screen. But once all the dwarves are in Erebor, there should be all KINDS of weaponry lying around, and proper dwarf arms too.
PS. Pretty sure the new WETA book was supposed to be out the 8th of July ....I'd been trying not to think about it from last year as the wait was so long, but FINALLY.
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Avandel
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Jul 8 2014, 1:28am
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That's great! (mostly) - thank you!
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It should have no effect. No amount of "scary" yelling, screaming, shouting, or whispering, accompanied by gesticulations, facial expressions, etc. should bring a movie over into R territory. Speech only crosses the line to R ratings if it uses obscene language. Because (as most of us know I guess) what is coming in BOFA - and with a cast this brilliant I think PJ should let them do their thing, full weight.
The lack of stickiness on the weapons has been brought up before *sigh*. Personally drives me crazy as I don't need buckets of gore, but here's Thorin with a bloodstained pelt in AUJ, nose, face, etc. but he can kill a warg, pull up the blade, and Orcrist is squeaky clean. Anyway, thank you for the enlightenment on the seemingly foggy U.S. rating system
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KeenObserver
Lorien
Jul 8 2014, 6:52am
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And besides, cowards like me will eventually just watch what they wanna watch, thanks to the wonders of technology, which happily can help one avoid either tears while watching any given production, or just outright cringing/boredom/irritation, depending on the scene in question. Or, alternatively, wear out certain sections of a DVD/BR by replaying, forcing one to re-purchase, thereby contributing to the economy. 
And in today's society, who has more value and power than the righteous and omnipotent consumer?
Looks like it's a win-win situation for you.
Or just go watch something like, say, Superman, where characters who have passed onto the great Havens promptly return from the Netherworld no worse for wear. I understand even Arnold is making an appearance in the next Terminator? Sort of like a certain bunny that just keeps going and going…. Yep, when you don't have the bearing to handle it, you'll always be able to temporarily immerse yourself in something else. It sure is nice to have options.
Another Terminator movie, you say?
Mr. Schwarzenegger belongs to that exclusive club of veteran Hollywood actors that just don't let up. There is no stopping them.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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KeenObserver
Lorien
Jul 8 2014, 8:35am
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Thanks for being both honest and stoical.
And thanks for the compliment about my compositional handiwork.
I get my inspiration from high-class posters like yourself.
your post to some fans' angst and grief (including mine) was one of the nicest "framings" of something that is quite hard on the fans of the Sons of Durin I'm glad that post was able to have a positive effect on you. That was my intention.
Or a maddened Thorin really letting loose, or arguing, say *speculating* with Fili and Kili, would get watered down because it would scare the kiddies? Sigh. I still think PJ & co. should go for broke, and let the ratings fall where they may. I say screw the kiddies and take the drama to another level. Give us something so darkly gripping that it frightens all of us. Like you said: go for broke.
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to get across. With the right actor, strong emotion can tear you apart in a theater. When it goes wrong, tho, there's me squirming in my seat and wishing it would end, or looking into my popcorn bucket, or rooting around in my bag for something. Oh Avandel, you're adorable.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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*grins* distractions during movie down time
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