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ImBilboIAm
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Jun 30 2014, 5:27am
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BOTFA Interview w/ WETA
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Just a brief video interview with some of the visual effects supervisors from WETA and they comment on the third film and specifically The Battle of the Five Armies.
http://collider.com/...-letteri-dan-lemmon/
(This post was edited by Ataahua on Jun 30 2014, 7:16pm)
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NecromancerRising
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Jun 30 2014, 7:22am
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was always going to be a prequel to the LOTR apart from the Hobbit adaptation, as it has been announced since 2010.Why so surprised? When these movies decided to incorporate the Dol Guldur/Sauron plot it was more than obvious that they would depict the events that led to the LOTR.
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Arannir
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Jun 30 2014, 7:27am
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... this is kind of a necessity. If Sauron managed to sack the North... What hope would there have been for the Free Peoples? Even in the books the retaking of Erebor and the strengthening of the Men in the North are crucial events and essential for the Quest of the Ring to succeed.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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dormouse
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Jun 30 2014, 8:19am
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I suppose because they can't really tell the story...
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... in this context, as part of the whole sequence, on the basis of - 'here's a battle, but it doesn't really matter very much - it's just a scrap over treasure, not make-or-break like the later battles.' They have to give it some weight, or why are we bothering to watch it?
I think we really have to thank Tolkien for the dilemma that underlies this. He's the one who left us with these two ways of taking The Hobbit - as the stand-alone story he wrote originally, or as he later made it, the first act in a much bigger drama. And in that sense it is true that the whole of the later story rests on the outcome of this battle.
I'd love to see what someone else would make of The Hobbit in the first sense, as a magical fable. But I don't think that approach would have worked for these films - and they have gone some way to acknowledging the different tone of the earlier part of the book.
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Michelle Johnston
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Jun 30 2014, 11:36am
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“Yeah because it is the climax, and you really just need to know that there is another battle for Middle-earth. The whole extension of The Hobbit’s story has really been to get us to the point where we understand when we leave it what’s going to happen when you pick up the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and this really does kind of set that tone.”
Its terribly easy to do textual analysis on everything but this struck me as a generally interesting remark.
I take from this that the Five Armies is invested with it's geo political significance. It is given the context explained by Gandalf after the war of the ring in his conversations with the hobbits in Minus Tirith. This battle must be won and it appears that it has been a victory but some, Gandalf, Galadriel will not see it as a complete one and it will be most interesting to see how PJ leaves that hanging in the air.
Some will die some will be transformed but the wise will know this is not over and Bilbo's relationship with the ring can help mediate that notion as well.
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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Noria
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Jun 30 2014, 11:57am
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Dormouse and Michelle, I agree with both of you.//.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jun 30 2014, 12:02pm
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Bbecause it is like al the goofy you have seen in the other two its gonna be tested, it will give the darkness of LOTR a more dark importance, it is like giving Sauron the level of evil he deserves
its not going to be a whatever treath, IT IS EVIL and I think in movie verse we are gonna learn what is like with TBOTFA
That would add a somber tone to LOTR trilogy
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Eleniel
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Jun 30 2014, 1:22pm
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because these interviews keep on harping on about the significance of the battle (Bo5A) - by all accounts, Smaug will be dead (as per the book) long before then. the only question is how the DG storyline is going to fit time wise around the battle...whether it will all be done and dusted beforehand to allow Gandalf to get to Dale in time, or whether Gandalf will not be part of the final assault on DG, so it can take place at the same time as Bo5A. We all know how PJ loves to cut to and fro between parallel storylines...
Surely it can only be treated as so much depending on the outcome IF Sauron and or Smaug are still around during the Bo5A?
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Arannir
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Jun 30 2014, 1:28pm
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... DG to happen before Gandalf can leave for the North but with a clear statement by the WC that Sauron is not defeated (and that even this small victory might have been exactly what Sauron wanted in order to test his enemies).
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Michelle Johnston
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Jun 30 2014, 4:27pm
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Saurons a stake holder in the outcome
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Whilst you and I may have different responses to this interview i think we are both taking Letteri's comments the same, that the BOFA must be won not just for the reasons of the book but because Sauron, whatever happens at DG, is behind it and will be the principle beneficiary of the army led by Azog if it overcomes its enemies.
Noria mentioned Checkov's Gun recently. I think linking Azog so closely to Sauron as his appointed commander of the armies rather than simply being a more vague example of Morgoth's strain is another story telling investment which will have a payoff in film 3. As to your other point If I had to bet all the evidence points to the worm taking a bath as in the book.
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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