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trqn13
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Jun 21 2014, 9:14pm
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throwing out a few hypothetical battles that could of happened, pick you winners and/or add some more: smaug vs the balrog galadriel vs the witch king mouth of sauron vs aragorn gandalf vs ungoliant saruman vs thranduil
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Bracegirdle
Valinor
Jun 22 2014, 1:48pm
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mouth of sauron vs aragorn Aragorn cleans his clock- easy peasy gandalf vs ungoliant This would have had to be Olorin - and tough call - even money saruman vs thranduil Saruman wins, sorry to say
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Olorin the Wise
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Jul 15 2014, 8:09pm
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Smaug vs the Balrog: the Valaraukar or Balrogs were Morgoth's greatest servants, and the general consensus is that, being Maiar spirits, a Balrog would most likely be the stronger foe. Durin's Bane (whom I assume you are referring to when you say *the* Balrog) took a great deal of killing, whereas Smaug was slain by a single arrow. Galadriel vs the Witch-King: This depends on whether Glorfindel's Prophecy applies to all women as opposed to just women of the Race of Man-presumably it does. I would think that Galadriel would be the victor here, since she would be able to drive the Witch-King away, being as she is The Lady of Light. Mouth of Sauron vs Aragorn: Presumably the Mouth of Sauron is well versed in Black Sorcery, even though words are his primary weapon. If Aragorn was able to get near enough to the Mouth of Sauron then he would probably dispatch the Black Numenorean fairly quickly-otherwise I'd give it to the Mouth. Gandalf vs Ungoliant: Well, based on the evidence that Ungoliant effectively defeated Morgoth, I'd say that Gandalf would most likely perish if he came up against her, even in his unrestrained Maia form. Saruman vs Thranduil: There is little evidence in the book to suggest that Thranduil was a particularly skilled adversary, being as he was less wise than other Elven lords and weak as far as treasure was concerned. I doubt that Saruman's powers of persuasion could dominate such a strong-willed figure, but the Elven King would nevertheless be destroyed by such a powerful opponent. Just my own personal analogies, make of them what you will!
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Bofur01
Lorien
Jul 17 2014, 9:37am
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Glorfindel's prophecy doesn't have anything to do with women specifically...
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...but says that the WK won't fall by the hands of men, I.e. The race of men. So Galadriel, as an elf, would not fall under that category.
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BlackFox
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Jul 17 2014, 1:03pm
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Glorfindel's words to Eärnur were: "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." (ROTK, Appendix A, iv) As it were Éowyn (a female of the race of men) and Merry (a male of the race of hobbits) who eventually brought him down, it seems that any person not a male member of the race of men (a man in the both senses of the word) could impose a possible threat to him.
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Darkstone
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Jul 17 2014, 5:11pm
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Yes, it took the two hands of two men
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Glorfindel's words to Eärnur were: "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." (ROTK, Appendix A, iv) . Instead of a man it took two men: a woman and a hobbit. Neither could have done it alone. The Hobbits are, of course, really meant to be a branch of the specifically human race (not Elves or Dwarves) -- hence the two kinds can dwell together (as at Bree), and are called just the Big Folk and Little Folk. -JRR Tolkien, Letter #131
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Bofur01
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Jul 17 2014, 7:26pm
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I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere...
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...that it's only because Merry's sword from the Barrow-Downs was enchanted by the Dunedain of the North specifically to break the spell holding the WiKi together. And so a Eowyn could now kill him.
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KingTurgon
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Dec 2 2014, 11:44pm
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- The Balrog - Galadriel - Aragorn - Ungoliant - Saruman
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lastnickleft
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Dec 14 2014, 6:36pm
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smaug vs the balrog: Smaug is far bigger and dangerous, IMHO, and we do know he could actually fly. The fact that he was killed by an arrow is just the dramatic elipsis of the story, not a measure of his power. Have to go with Smaug. galadriel vs the witch king: Galadriel, no doubt. mouth of sauron vs aragorn: Aragorn. gandalf vs ungoliant: I think that not even Olorin would have a chance. Ungoliant. saruman vs thranduil: Well, I see must of you go straight for Saruman, but, even if we have no direct estimation of Thranduil's power, there are some facts that might help us to make an idea. Thranduil is very old, at least 7000 years (though Saruman is older anyway), and has witnessed many battles, such as probably the ruin of Doriath, survived The Last Alliance and fought in the Battle of the Five Armies and the War of the Ring...and won all his battles. About his personal power, we have even a hint of his magic in the Magic Doors of the Halls of Mirkwood. Remember that Thranduil was the only Elven Lord to survive without the help of a Ring, and he was in the most dangerous location, and at least part of this should be regarded to his individual power. I will go with a 50/50 here, with Saruman having a decent advantage in magic, and Thranduil having a huge advantage in armed combat.
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