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TheHutt
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Jun 18 2014, 8:53pm
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Scene of Elrond casting Morgul blade into WitchKing's tomb?
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Interesting quote from Hobbit Chronicles: Cloaks & Daggers, page 166.
"Later we came to film a scene in which Elrond is seen casting the blade into the Witch-king's tomb, and for that we needed a cleaner-looking version of the weapon, so I remade it with a more subtle degree of aging."
Interesting that such a scene was never mentioned prior to this.
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Dcole4
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Jun 18 2014, 8:56pm
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Very, very cool. I figured they must have shot something regarding the Witchking since they made such a big deal about the High Fells and the burial of the Nazgul. (Particularly Galadriel's speech).
This almost certainly will be part of the next movie, perhaps this is the prologue that segues into the present day scenes with Gandalf imprisoned in Dol Guldur. It would add a lot of weight to that story, and justify the attention that bloody sword has gotten since Radagast found it.
My guess is definitely a prologue, although I still fancy the idea a few people have mentioned about the meeting of the dwarves w/ Dain Ironfoot.
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Shagrat
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Jun 18 2014, 9:08pm
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Fingers crossed we see a flashback to the Battle of Fornost
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Might Elrond take Glorfindel's role? Let's face it, the guy is always going to get the shaft in PJ's films unfortunately. Why change the habit of a lifetime?
Rather than a prologue it might be better to include a flashback during a White Council scene, before the attack on Dol Guldur.
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DanielLB
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Jun 18 2014, 9:12pm
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It sounds like one of those scenes ...
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Which you know was filmed, you're desperate to see, but will never see the light of day. Thorin's firefly scene and the ROTK epilogue spring to mind.
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Shagrat
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Jun 18 2014, 9:13pm
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That's what I'm afraid of...
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Earl
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Jun 18 2014, 9:18pm
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I love learning about these little moments that were filmed. Of course it only makes it worse when they never see the light of day. But still, maybe in an EE, or a 10 year anniversary ultimate edition :)
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Jun 18 2014, 10:57pm
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I think we will get to see this scene.
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It's probably part of a larger flashback. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of having a flashback if all it showed was Elrond throwing the blade into the tomb. Seems kind if trivial. So it is very possible that there was some flashback filmed involving the fall of Angmar. Hopefully it's in the next film or one of the EEs.
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Dcole4
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Jun 18 2014, 11:04pm
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When the Hobbit was announced as three films...
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I always thought they'd go into some of the Angmar stuff, especially with the Witchking involved and with the implications in AUJ. Could be something very cool to watch.
Fingers crossed.
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Earl
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Jun 18 2014, 11:10pm
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... we never saw the Witch-king in DOS prior to Sauron revealing himself. Now that he's out, there's no purpose that the Witch-king serves as far as the mystery of the Morgul blade is concerned. So it seems unlikely we'll see any flashback regarding that blade in BOFA. The only place I could've seen them including it in is in AUJ, but the EE's over and done with, so the time has passed I think. Perhaps there'll be a scene in the DOS EE.
Also, I wonder how the Witch-king gets that sword back. Elrond seemed loath to touch it in AUJ, so I wonder what might motivate him to carry it to Dol Guldur. Hmm... questions that need answering 
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Dcole4
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Jun 18 2014, 11:13pm
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I think that was done on purpose...
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DOS was weird because it was the end of one film and the start of another film all smooched together. Not to mention, the scenes with Gandalf in Dol Guldur in DOS were originally the ending of film 1 (when it was 2 films). My thought is that they're saving the sword stuff for film 3 when it'll become relevant again. It's why they cut Thrain, his character wasn't really relevant anymore to the story they were telling in DOS. I think the nazgul blade and the Witch King are going to come back in a big way in film 3.
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Kim
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Jun 18 2014, 11:15pm
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of seeing the fireflies scene in BOFA (maybe just the EE). It seems like such a nice little moment they could have between Thorin and Bilbo when they're in Erebor at the beginning of the movie. 
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Earl
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Jun 18 2014, 11:17pm
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I hope they've re-cut it to actually fit in with the book chronology.
And yeah, now that this topic about the Morgul blade has been brought up again (I'd quite forgotten about it), I'm curious how it'll play out in the final film, if at all.
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Dcole4
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Jun 18 2014, 11:20pm
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It'll definitely play out in film 3. It's been mentioned in the commentaries. I have a sneaking suspicion it'll be used to "off" somebody.
Re: Thrain, I'm fine with the chronology being switched around. His scenes will almost definitely be cut into the sequence of Gandalf entering Dol Guldur in DOS.
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KeenObserver
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Jun 19 2014, 12:27am
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I'll bet that the flashback occurs during Gandalf and Radagast's investigation of the Nazgul graves. That's if PJ decided to insert it into the DOS EE.
I can see Mithrandir recounting events to Radagast the clueless as they explore the place.
Like you, I think it's unlikely that the flashback will make an appearance in TBOTFA . I can't see it fitting in anywhere.
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Earl
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Jun 19 2014, 12:32am
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That seems like the most likely place for the flashback. Now I have some hope it'll make it into the DOS EE :)
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Michelle Johnston
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Jun 19 2014, 5:39am
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I hadn't given thought to this for over year ! As Galadriel recounted the story at the White Council of the incarceration of the W K rather than Elrond I am wondering if this has been permanently rejected.
When Radagast has his "chance meeting" with Gandalf and the company it could have been explained to Radagast at that point where it came from. This would have reintroduced Elrond to the audience and began
increasing the tension of the subplot and anticipated their coming arrival to Rivendell.
Moving on, at the moment as others have said the blade/ witch king has been left lying for an entire movie.
The Galadriel scene in filming terms is very old now and Sauron has been outed. So the only pay back for dealing with the blade now is to bring it back to the Witch King it will be fascinating to see if this is considered important enough to make the film.
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leonmuse
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Jun 19 2014, 5:50am
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The morgul Arrow that struck Kili...
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May have some connection to the witch-craft related to the Witch-king of Agmar. Somehow, now that we're speaking of the Morgul blade again, I can see some relation between Bolg (who shot the arrow) and the Witch-king. Might be he cursed Bolg's weapons at his request or something. With PJ we never know.
Still, a morgul-arrow was such a stupid "new idea" from PJ. It would have been cool if at least Kili had died. But yeah, complaints are no use at this point! :p
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Michelle Johnston
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Jun 19 2014, 9:35am
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Again I had forgotten about the nature of the poisoned arrow. One cannot help but think that leads to greater chance of it being "explained" in TBOTFA.
Unless you take the view these are mere texture which do not require more elaboration than they receive and are simply markers.
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Arannir
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Jun 19 2014, 11:43am
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... that might have been planned for the WC scene when Galadriel speaks about the burial of the Nazgul. WHen she starts speaking you almost expect a flashback imho.
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NoelGallagher
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Jun 19 2014, 12:17pm
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After she finished
"And buried with him". ------------Flashback--------"when Angmar fell"
(Galadriel looks questioning) (continues speaking)
Perfect for such a scene.
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DjU
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Jun 20 2014, 12:00am
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Also, I wonder how the Witch-king gets that sword back
You've pointed on the same thing I was thinking. Everybody on the thread seems to automatically expect this scene to be some kind of flashback.
What happens if it actually a 'current' scene and takes place AFTER the attack on Dol Guldur. And it is after the White Council believe Suaron and the rising power vanquished and then, foolishly throw the Morgul Blade in to the dark chasm of the tomb to be rid of it...
That is maybe how it gets back to him!
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Bombadil
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Jun 20 2014, 12:12am
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Wowie! Like the "Bucket Scene" @ Balin's Tomb..?
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Pippin:
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Bombadil
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Jun 20 2014, 1:47am
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EDit: Caught by "TheWitchKing"...Oppzz?
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Earl
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Jun 20 2014, 2:28am
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It does sound like a flashback scene though...
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... based on the description that The Hutt shared.
"Later we came to film a scene in which Elrond is seen casting the blade into the Witch-king's tomb, and for that we needed a cleaner-looking version of the weapon, so I remade it with a more subtle degree of aging."
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Laineth
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Jun 20 2014, 4:12pm
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The Galadriel scene in filming terms is very old now and Sauron has been outed. So the only pay back for dealing with the blade now is to bring it back to the Witch King it will be fascinating to see if this is considered important enough to make the film.
I think it will. I really hope so, anyway! link
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