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a very intriguing discussion

rangerfromthenorth
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Jun 6, 10:25pm


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a very intriguing discussion [In reply to] Can't Post

and there is no need to apologize at all. I have quite enjoyed this discussion.

Your concern about when Gandalf using his power essentially crosses the line and when it does not. This I have no answer for, it appears that Tolkien may have some inconsistencies here. For in that letter he plainly says that Gandalf did as much with the Balrog and gave himself up for judgment. How was this different than the encounter with the Nazgul? Perhaps because the one was as you say with Theoden, private. Whereas the incident with the Balrog was a bold display of power with Gandalf even stating he is s a servant of the secret fire. There were orcs there, the fellowship, and of course the fellowship. That's the only difference I can think of, but Tolkien seems to think it as unique.

As far as the Gandalf the White, in that letter Tolkien outs forth that the rules changed, hence why Gandalf was sent back and strengthened. His display with theoden was somewhat secretive, his encounter with Saruman was not, neither were his encounters with the Nazgul.

An interetsting question you put forward is whether or not gandalf ever put forth his full strength while on Middle Earth. I would think yes, it appears the Balrog incident was as it was Maia vs. Maia. Beyond that? Maybe with Saruman, though that may have been of a divine order carried out by him.

Plenty to ponder in all of this.

Not all those who wander are lost

Subject User Time
Gandalf, The White, vs A weakened version of Sauron (pre-Hobbit) The Foehammer Send a private message to The Foehammer May 29, 12:35am
    Hmmm... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 29, 2:21pm
        Sauron DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown May 30, 2:17am
    In a way this has already been tested Escapist Send a private message to Escapist May 30, 3:47am
    CLASH !! Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle May 30, 1:16pm
        Actually... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jun 4, 3:21pm
            Yes, Gandalf was forbidden to use power for power against Sauron.. Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Jun 4, 6:28pm
                hmmm.... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jun 4, 7:50pm
                    Ranger, I have no contention with your statements. . . Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Jun 4, 9:05pm
                        great question rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jun 4, 11:11pm
                            Or, think of it this way... Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Jun 4, 11:54pm
                                I finally had a chance to look up those texts... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jun 6, 3:29pm
                                    Iím glad you found the text you sought . . Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Jun 6, 9:54pm
                                        a very intriguing discussion rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jun 6, 10:25pm
                                            Not all those who ponder are lost... Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle Jun 7, 2:53pm

 
 
 

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